Lit What is the moral responsibility of Star Wars in the age of climate change?

Now that I can agree with. The devastating bushfires that occur in Australia usually happen because there aren't enough fuel reduction burns to get rid of the excess fuel. And usually that's because of the restrictions by environmental activist groups who actually live in the cities and don't live in the bush or rural areas. Others are because of poor maintenance or construction because of corrupt politicians and unions "misplacing" the funds. Road maintenance in my part of Australia is in the toilet. The divide between city and rural is big and massive. And we suffer because they have no idea what we are talking about.

Is there are moral obligation of the world to fix the common sense absence? absolutely. Should Star Wars? not particularly. Besides, Hollywood moralising has actually done a fun job of just alienating its audiences. Politicians and activists crushed it and tossed it into the nearest "recycling bin". Since Covid, moral responsibilities don't belong to governments or celebrities or activists or even the scientists anymore. It belongs with the individual to make up their own mind.

And perhaps this is what the end of humanity is about to happen. I've accepted my mortality and the unknown coming next. Nothing lasts forever (except God but that's another thing).

Anyway, I'm exiting. This subject is not something I should've even touched.

 

I have a lot to say about what you just said, but out of respect for your wish to disengage, I'll let it go.

For the best really, it would probably derail the thread and get us both in hot water lol.

 

He didn't exactly engage in the topic in any meaningful way other than you're wrong and I'm right. Whether or not humans deserve the planet and should be extinct is a whole different topic. That being said, it's super hard to be the only one taking a different perspective, wrong or no.

Also I think people have a long way to go in regards to being more kind to people who have different perspectives. Going on the attack doesn't persuade anyone. If anything it radicalizes them and causes them the trench further into their positions and seek out others who have the same ideas as them.

Also he talked about some kind of trauma that caused him to isolate from people in a severe manner. I'd guess there was more there than just the fear of climate change. But still.

All that said, the threat of climate change is more than just about the planet becoming inhospitable. There will be mass migrations. If we're worried about refugees an immigrants now, you ain't see nothing yet. People's homes and livelihoods will be destroyed. Worldwide food scarcity. Water scarcity is pretty terrifying. The elimination of resources that we rely on. Including medicines. Mass extinctions of other species. There is so much more than just one day the planet will be inhospitable for humans.

With things getting as bad as they are there is actually some recognition from right wing politicians. Because there is a point where it becomes an economic necessity to deal with this. And when the donors (the real people running the planet) start to become affected, then things can actually happen. Hopefully. Maybe?

 

It is more than a little dumb how many politicians have successfully configured science = beliefs when it's not that. But where climate change is concerned the entire "belief" conversation is worthless. Independent of individual outlooks the effects will continue to impact. You can choose not to "believe" in gravity, but you'll be stuck to the planet regardless.

 

Ignoring climate change is like the Jedi Council refusing to believe the Sith had returned. By the time they were willing to acknowledge they were a problem, the balance of the Force had already been tipped.

"Eh, the dark side waxes and wanes. It's part of the natural order" as war engulfs the galaxy with Dark Lords of the Sith orchestrating the entire thing.

It's not just habitability, biodiversity, resource scarcity, migration. Wars will be fought over dwindling resources. Governments will likely turn more repressive. I don't think it's coincidence that as we see the beginnings of climate change you have a resurgence of right wing authoritarianism and neo-fascism. Immigration anxiety is only going to get worse, and it's going to get more and more xenophobic.

 

Surely the only sensible response, as opposed to implementing any sort of mitigating procedures that could make it so humanity maybe doesn't need to end.

 

Are the Yuuzhan Vong Saviors or Destroyers of Climate Change?

 

They are both. They don't revere life, they hate machines. So, on the one hand they'll recover a planet like Duro while committing ecocide on Ithor.

 

I mean SW has Eriadu, a world which ecosystem was essentially destroyed by over industrialization and pollution.

 

Yeah, I think it would need to be a smaller-scale story, and probably on a less-wealthy and less-advanced world.

Star Wars has definitely tackled themes of industrialization/pollution before, but a one-reason show could really put the focus on it.

Yeah, I was also thinking of something like this, if we ever want it to be a galaxy-spanning threat. Something with hyperspace instability, perhaps relating to the shenanigans that the Nihil have gotten into in The High Republic. If not hyperspace, then something else with the Force would be the best way to do something truly galactic in scale (though with the Force, I feel like a galactic analogy to a plague/pandemic may be better).

 

The thing about that Trek episode, is that the warp drive problem only occurred in that one sector (albeit it was a somewhat important warp lane). If the problem was galaxy-wide, well then the whole setting comes crashing down. It'd be kinda like

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the ending to Mass Effect 3 where all the mass relays get destroyed.

 

Eh, they got fixed.

 

I think something with the balance of the Force is the thing to do on a galactic scale. I wouldn't retread the messiah story again. I still feel like Anakin's purpose as Chosen One and what it meant for him to bring balance is ill-defined. What happens if the Sith stay in control? What is the existential threat of imbalance?

Anyway, there could be a new imbalance in the future or one in the distant past. I could see the DOTJ era doing something like that. I don't mind them taking ideas from those comics, but expanding the stakes. The environmental Force storms aren't limited to Tython, but hit entire sectors, perhaps where burgeoning Force-users are being careless with how they use the Force. What gives rise to the Jedi Order is that a society of Force-users who have realized that dedication to the Ashla is needed to keep the balance, because if they are dipping into the Bogan bad things happen.

I don't know how you do that without having to make some handwave explanation as to why Force storms don't break out in the Imperial era... or maybe they write a story about some starting to become a threat.