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ST What's your opinion on Sheev Palpatine coming back as the main villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by DarthVist, Sep 8, 2020.

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Do you like the idea of them bringing him back as the main and final villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Love it, and I'm glad they brought him back

    36 vote(s)
    11.8%
  2. Hate it, and think that he should have remained dead

    172 vote(s)
    56.4%
  3. Have mixed feelings about it

    97 vote(s)
    31.8%
  1. dagenspear

    dagenspear Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Maybe. But I guess that depends on how you view time travel in relation to the force in this universe. In theory, they can make up whatever rules they want to justify the story they want to tell.
     
  2. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Well yes exactly… and it comes down to whether they want Anakin to be a good man whom made bad choices or a good man whom *had* to make bad choices in order to fulfil the prophecy. I’m neutral on which way they go, as long as it’s compelling to watch.
     
  3. I dont understand why some Fans have problems with Palpatine returning Ian McDiarmid defending the Resurrection of Palpatine in an Interview he said he had no problem with that if the original actor of the Emperor has no problem with it then its ok Ian was not forced to Play Palpatine he accepted the proposal Live Action Movies should be considered highly Levels of Canon so Rise of Skywalker happen Rise of Skywalker is probably the last Live Action Movie where we will see Ian as Palpatine for Good or not
     
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  4. dagenspear

    dagenspear Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Does that mean it's written well?
     
  5. Well i prefer Palpatine as the Final Villain than Darth Maul as Lucas had planned
     
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  6. dagenspear

    dagenspear Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That doesn't mean story, structure and character wise it really works.
     
  7. So was the Kenobi Show Palpatine Resurrecting is not a Big Deal for me
     
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  8. DrDre

    DrDre Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think that statement is a very good summary of the underlying truth of the matter (imo). The reality is, that it is our unwillingness as fans of a franchise to accept, that the story has been told; that it's done; that there's no more story to tell about Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Han Solo, Darth Vader, Darth Maul, and Palpatine, at least no story with similar stakes, which leads companies like Disney to go down this road in the first place. For years Lucas maintained that there was no more story to tell, and yet when confronted with his own retirement, what did he do? He wanted to leave something for his company to be able to continue to flourish in his absence, and so against his better judgement (I believe), he began to develop a ST. That ST might have been better, or it might have been worse (I think better in a creative sense), but ultimately what it had in common with the Disney ST is that it wanted to extend the shelf life of these classic characters, and the story itself. My fear is, that unless a truly creative mind or set of minds find a way to create a new story in this universe with new characters, they will continue to extend the shelf life until it's all rotten and putrid, and potential new fans have to crawl through a river of excrement to find that amazing story, that Lucas and his collaborators once created. Zombie Palpatine will just be one of many turds in that river.
     
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  9. I think Lucas ST would have been just as criticized as Disney one Lucas wanted to include the PT Tone in his Version of the ST and most OT Fans would not have liked it
     
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  10. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Chosen One star 5

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    I agree. I would personally have always preferred a Lucas created ST, but for many it is more in hindsight that it would be better, for the OT-favouring fans the Lucas ST would likely have been a problem for different reasons. He likely would have been heavily criticised and hated without us first seeing the inferior vision of JJ and RJ to contrast.
     
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  11. DrDre

    DrDre Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I agree, but I see a wider problem, that goes beyond whether it would be Lucas' ST or JJ's ST, or RJ's ST, namely that Lucas when he decided to wrap up the story in ROTJ for a variety of reasons, he effectively closed the door to a meaningful continuation of the Skywalker Saga. Any version of the ST would have likely have felt tagged on, and it's our desire to continue to fill the space with stories about those characters, now digitally reanimated in some cases, that had their time in the sun, that feeds the beast, that may end up doing great damage to this once great franchise.
     
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  12. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Post the ST, I think most fans prefer the Lucas version. That said, don’t assume that Lucas wouldn’t have evolved as a filmmaker. His ST would have probably been better (in terms of implementation) than his PT, and would have probably been more comparable with The Mandalorian, which is both highly stylised, full of clunky dialogue, but is more immediately accessible.
     
  13. dagenspear

    dagenspear Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Why did you bring up the Kenobi show? But I don't think that show was really that well written either.
    That doesn't mean it wouldn't have been written stronger.
     
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  14. Both Lucas ST and Disney ST they would have fallen short in comparison to the Post ROTJ EU honestly they should have adapted the NJO into a Trilogy Movies
     
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  15. In the minute 4:30 of this Video Ian McDiarmid Defends Palpatine Resurrection

    Another Video of Ian in the Behind the Scenes of Rise of Skywalker
     
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  16. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    I agree with Ian in these interviews - it’s too bad we didn’t get to have Palpatine return for longer than just the one film.
     
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  17. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    Interesting that he says that Palpatine’s surgeons and technicians were “rather small.” Makes me wonder if they were still going with the concept below for the cloning lab techs when McDiarmid was last closely involved.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    What is that? That looks .. fake. Is it concept art?
     
  19. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    That’s what he describes alright. Makes me wonder how much more was filmed with Ian than what’s in the movie. TROS definitely has the feeling of a throw everything at the wall and see what sticks approach. Did Matt Smith film scenes at Palpatine?
     
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  20. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Force Ghost star 5

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    It’s concept art by Adam Brockbank.

    Matt Smith said he was only ever in talks to be hired but never actually worked on the project. Based on what concept artists have said over the years, a lot of ideas were being explored before there was even a script.

    There’s some pretty cool and gruesome art pieces out there. In some of them it looks like Palpatine’s only a head in a robot body, which makes me wonder if they at one point considered making it so his actual head was preserved after the explosion in ROTJ.
     
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  21. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    No. Matt Smith never filmed anything. Was never on set. He never saw a draft script.
     
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  22. Then the Emperor has already Won you were our last Hope except that in Disney Universe it was Rey who really defeated the Emperor i wouldnt have a problem with that if Rey was Luke Daughter but i feel that if Rey was a Real Skywalker or if Kylo Ren was the one in Defeat Palpatine the Disney ST would still have been criticized yes Palpatine also returned in Dark Empire but in Dark Empire he was defeated by Luke, Han and Leia i would honestly be surprised if Filoni isnt planning to make the Disney ST Movies to be an Alternate Future in Ahsoka with World Between Worlds the Father told Anakin in TCW in the Mortis Episodes that he truly was the Chosen One Anakin descendants are also Powerful they are the descendants of the Chosen One what will happen to the Balance of the Force if the Skywalkers have disappeared?
     
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