Where does the Marvel comic issues fit in time wise with the rest of Star Wars Literature?

That was neither the original point you made nor the one I addressed. You purported that "Jabba the Hutt" appeared as a YakFace in the original Marvel Comics.
That was an entirely erroneous statement. A humanoid Jabba did, indeed, appear in the Star Wars comic. Jabba the Hutt, did not.

You skipped the part about the scene that was cut from the original ANH and added into special edition. That scene is in the comics and it includes a YakFace Jabba.

You mean like the error you made purporting Jabba the Hutt to have appeared in the comic. Sure, you can claim all you want, but it still doesn't make it true.

No. There are many more errors. Of the top of my head I can think of several involving alien and female Imperial commanders, bounty hunters in the wrong places and teamed up with the wrong people, and I believe the backstory of the Mandalorian, Fenn Shysa(?) is messed up. Give me time and I could come up with a large list. Sure you could prove some wrong. But not all.

 

"No. There are many more errors. Of the top of my head I can think of several involving alien and female Imperial commanders, bounty hunters in the wrong places and teamed up with the wrong people, and I believe the backstory of the Mandalorian, Fenn Shysa(?) is messed up. Give me time and I could come up with a large list. Sure you could prove some wrong. But not all. "
Why can marvel not have alien and female Imperial commanders when the novels can like Thrawn,Daala, and issard(sp?). Star Wars Insider 80 corrected the mistakes of Shysa and the marvel mandalorian back story.

 

"I believe the backstory of the Mandalorian, Fenn Shysa(?) is messed up."

Fixed and smoothed out with the most recent Insider article.

 

Jabba the Hut was a Nimbanel, not a Yakora (a.k.a. "Yak Face").

 

rogue_wookiee...
"You skipped the part about the scene that was cut from the original ANH and added into special edition. That scene is in the comics and it includes a YakFace Jabba."

No, I didn't. In "Six Against the Galaxy," a humanoid character named Jabba does, in fact, appear. This character is a recurring one in the Marvel comics' Star Wars series. We later learn he is named "Jabba the Hut." And you must recognize that issue 2, "Six Against the Galaxy" in no way names the character "Jabba the Hutt," as you purport. That character was not a Hutt in the original Marvel comics. Marvel never had a humanoid Jabba the Hutt. Ever.


"No. There are many more errors. Of the top of my head I can think of several involving alien and female Imperial commanders"

Then name them. There are no errors involving any of the female and alien Imperial commanders that Marvel shows, because, for the most part they're never seen or heard from again in any source.

"bounty hunters in the wrong places and teamed up with the wrong people,"

Show your example. There have never been any bounty hunters in the wrong place or teaming with the wrong people. The people that Marvel's bounty hunters teamed with are the people that they teamed with, and they were always in the place they needed to be.

"and I believe the backstory of the Mandalorian, Fenn Shysa(?) is messed up."

Nope, again an erroneous assetion. The backstory of the Mandalorian, Fenn Shysha was never messed up in the original source. And later sources have clarified it even further.

"Give me time and I could come up with a large list. Sure you could prove some wrong. But not all."

How about you just start with the ones you brought up here. What's the error, according to you?

 

Why can marvel not have alien and female Imperial commanders when the novels can like Thrawn,Daala, and issard(sp?).

Thrawn was extremely special. And he still got shipped to the UR.

Daala wasn't even known. She was Tarkin's secret.

Isard. Well. She was Isard. She had the Emperor's favor.

Marvel had incompetant women and alien Imperial commanders. All incompetant Imperial commanders are human males.

Star Wars Insider 80 corrected the mistakes of Shysa and the marvel mandalorian back story.

That's good. I don't read Insider. Esp. now that they are giving out Ep. III info (spoiler free) and aren't giving us short stories.

 

rogue_wookiee...
"Thrawn was extremely special. And he still got shipped to the UR."

As were Sk'ar, (Grand?) General, Suprema and the S'kytri Majestrix. Although they didn't need to be shipped off to the UR, each was given a comparable "domain" far removed from the Galactic core.

"Daala wasn't even known. She was Tarkin's secret."

She was very much known. She had only been in the Maw for ten years. She went through the same training that all of the other female Imps go through.

"Isard. Well. She was Isard. She had the Emperor's favor."

As did some of the other female commanders, like his Emperor's Hand, Shira Brie. She broke all of the records in the history of the Imperial Academy on Coruscant.

More than anything, the Emperor required excellence. In his Marvel alien and female commanders, that's exactly what he received.

 

As were Sk'ar, (Grand?) General, Suprema and the S'kytri Majestrix. Although they didn't need to be shipped off to the UR, each was given a comparable "domain" far removed from the Galactic core.

Sure. From what I remember almost all the Imps in Marvel were incompetant.

She was very much known. She had only been in the Maw for ten years. She went through the same training that all of the other female Imps go through.

Yeah. She got dumped on at Carida for years. Despite the fact that she was something of a tactical prodigy.

As did some of the other female commanders, like his Emperor's Hand, Shira Brie. She broke all of the records in the history of the Imperial Academy on Coruscant.

Why do people keep calling Shira Brie the Emperor's Hand? She worked for Vader in the Marvel comics.

More than anything, the Emperor required excellence.

He should have gone to Australia.

In his Marvel alien and female commanders, that's exactly what he received.

They got pwned by a few heroes and a bunch of hoojibs. I could do better job as a military commander than them. And I have no experience beyond RTSs.

 

wookiee...
"Why do people keep calling Shira Brie the Emperor's Hand? She worked for Vader in the Marvel comics."

She was merely on loan to Vader in the Marvel comics. It was clear from her background information in issue #65 that she was Palpatine's prodigy in the original source. As a small child, she was raised on Palpatine's estate and later lived in his palace on Coruscant.

As for why people keep calling Shira Brie the Emperor's Hand. It's because Shira Brie is the Emperor's Hand - his special agent and executer of his will when he needed something sensitive carried out. Brie was more to Palpatine than the other red-headed female special agents, who were according to your beloved Thrawn nothing more than mere "errand girls."

 

As for why people keep calling Shira Brie the Emperor's Hand. It's because Shira Brie is the Emperor's Hand - his special agent and executer of his will when he needed something sensitive carried out. Brie was more to Palpatine than the other red-headed female special agents, who were according to your beloved Thrawn nothing more than mere "errand girls."

Mara was the first Hand. This is made quite clear by Vader and Palpatine in MJ: BtEH 0. I have it on hand if you need a quote.

As for Thrawn. He was merely taunting Mara. He knew what he was doing. He made her angry. Angry people make mistakes. His mistake was in underestimating how close she was too Palpatine and not knowing that she knew things he didn't.

And yes Thrawn is beloved. One of the greatest antagonists of all time IMO.

The rest of the stuff on Shira I will check on next time I have the comic.

Back on Marvel I can think of several other problems. Luke had a lightsaber right after ESB contradicting SotE. And Luke, Leia, Chewie and Lando were on adventures while they should have been looking for Han. That is directly from a comic. Some line about them heading off for adventure. That was me when I read the line.

 

Your own issues with taste aren't problems. It just means something played out differently than you may have liked.

Luke's owning multiple lightsabers didn't contradict SotE. SotE show Luke building a lightsaber. That's valuable insight to have, even if he had other ones at the time.

One of the key issues for a Jedi is being able to make one's own lightsaber. SotE showed valuable growth as a character for Luke. It doesn't contradict his other belongings that he may have had in his possession like other lightsabers of unknown origin.

 

"Back on Marvel I can think of several other problems. Luke had a lightsaber right after ESB contradicting SotE. That was me when I read the line. "
Don't you mean Shadows of the Empire contradicts Marvel as Marvel was written and made before SOTE. So if anything the author of SOTE should have tried to fit in with Marvel, not Marvel trying to fit into something not made yet.
"And Luke, Leia, Chewie and Lando were on adventures while they should have been looking for Han. That is directly from a comic. Some line about them heading off for adventure."
They are still members of the Alliance it is not like they could forget all about the Rebellion and search for Han as they still have jobs to do. Also they did spend a lot of time looking for Han.

 

At the time SOTE was conceived, though, referencing the Marvel series was largely taboo at LFL, including even the slightest of slight references (such as Han's tutelage under Bey and -- yes -- Luke's possession of lightsabers other than the one he built on Tatooine).

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Actually- wasn't it Tagge's lightsaber?[hr][/blockquote][/b]
It may have been the Baron's -- Luke certainly pwnx0rd him in that final 'saber smackdown of theirs, and his "new" one as seen in the very opening panels of Marvel #45 had to have come from [i]somewhere[/i] so soon after Bespin. Marvel, when queried on this issue, replied to the effect that Luke had built one "offscreen," and then had built *another* one (the green 'saber) pre-ROTJ.

However, the editor-then-in-charge said only a couple issues later (#48) that Luke had enough time to [b]grab[/b] Anakin's blue 'saber while he was [b][i]falling[/b][/i], and that would be the "official" Marvel/LFL postion for the nonce:

[blockquote][i]"The way we see it, though, even before his sojourn on Dagobah, Luke had acquired enough masterey [[/i]sic[i]] of the Force to levitate his saber and free himself from the ice monster on Hoth. It then stands to reason that after studying with Yoda he certainly could've been able to draw it to himself as he plunged down the reactor shaft. That, in a nutshell, is our defense and, aside from the fact that we can't imagine doing stories about Luke without his saber, we think it's a good one. If [/i]Revenge Of The Jedi[i] proves us wrong -- then we'll just have to reconcile things in a future issue."[/blockquote][/i]
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The post-[i]Empire[/i] Marvel stories fit between the prologue to the SOTE comic (the day after Hoth), up to when the main story (3.5 ABY) takes place. [i]Empire[/i] and the post-ESB Marvel stuff start at 3 ABY, and lead [b]up[/b] to 3.5 ABY, while Luke doesn't build his new lightsaber until early into the primary SOTE story.

The NPR radio drama had him building his green 'saber right [b]before[/b] the beginning of ROTJ, but with a different crystal combination than in [i]Shadows[/i]: many gems, as opposed to the single synthetic gem from the novel.

 

Genghis
Your own issues with taste aren't problems. It just means something played out differently than you may have liked.

So you are telling me that it makes perfect sense to go off on "adventures" while your best friend is in the hands of Boba Fett? I'm sorry but it doesn't fit well. Esp. since they were doing almost nothing but hunting for Han in SotE.

ESB: Hunting for Han.
A few Marvel issues: Hunting for Han.
Most Marvel issues: Han is nearly completly forgotten.
SotE: Hunting for Han.

That doesn't click.

Luke's owning multiple lightsabers didn't contradict SotE. SotE show Luke building a lightsaber. That's valuable insight to have, even if he had other ones at the time.

In the beginning of SotE he had no lightsaber. Read the beginning of chapter 3. It clearly shows him lightsaberless.

Bootleg
Don't you mean Shadows of the Empire contradicts Marvel as Marvel was written and made before SOTE. So if anything the author of SOTE should have tried to fit in with Marvel, not Marvel trying to fit into something not made yet.

Did the Perry even know about the Marvel comics? If the editors didn't inform him I don't see how he would. Marvel is almost unknown. I'd never even heard of it before this June when I stumbled on a thread about it. And I've been reading SW for many years. All my SW loving friends offline had never seen them before I showed them the new TPB collections.

 

No. Read the ESB - ROTJ stories again. They start off this period looking for Han, but get caught in one side-mission after another, until the end, when they're back looking for Han...which segue's quite well with SOTE.

 

Mav. I disagree. But as I've already told Genghis next time I get them I will look into it.

 

"Did the Perry even know about the Marvel comics? If the editors didn't inform him I don't see how he would. Marvel is almost unknown. I'd never even heard of it before this June when I stumbled on a thread about it. And I've been reading SW for many years. All my SW loving friends offline had never seen them before I showed them the new TPB collections."
Maybe he should have done better research instead of Marvel having to be screwed becuase they don't fit in with something that was not written yet.

 

Maybe he should have done better research instead of Marvel having to be screwed becuase they don't fit in with something that was not written yet.

I'm beginning to get sick of all this "authors should have done more research". These authors have real lives. Other projects. This is only a job. And it is only fiction. People have been *****ing about RA Salvatore only reading a couple books and some reference materiel since Vector Prime came out. Have you looked at the list of books these people put out? Steve Perry has about 50 books out. And many are lisenced. Star Wars, Tom Clancy's Netforce, Conan, Alien, Men in Black and the Mask. On top of his original stuff. I don't expect him to give Star Wars any more than he gives to the others. Their lives shouldn't be consumed with trying to make us continuity freaks happy.

 

wookiee...
"Their lives shouldn't be consumed with trying to make us continuity freaks happy."

Then, if they care so little for the universe they might write in, they have but one simple decision.

Don't do it.

That way, they don't have to care about the licensed universe, its characters, its history, its events, and its fans one iota.

 

Then, if they care so little for the universe they might write in, they have but one simple decision.

Don't do it.

That way, they don't have to care about the licensed universe, its characters, its history, its events, and its fans one iota.

They do care. Many of them come here to these boards and talk with us. I've talked with several authors in the last few months.

I spend a ton of time with this stuff and I would still make errors. Lighten up. These people aren't us. They don't spend hours a week discussing this stuff on boards. They don't have time to study a entire fictional universe. Esp one as big as SW.

 

Marvel is almost unknown. I'd never even heard of it before this June when I stumbled on a thread about it. And I've been reading SW for many years. All my SW loving friends offline had never seen them before I showed them the new TPB collections.

By that logic, the JC is almost unknown because almost none of my RL friends have heard of it.

 

By that logic, the JC is almost unknown because almost none of my RL friends have heard of it.

165,103 people have registered here. Count in all the socks and I would say we have somewhere around 160,000 people who know what the JC is at the very most. I'm probably underestimating socks and overestimating lurkers who have never registered.

Even if people have been here before. I came here before Ep. II came out, read a few threads and forgot about it. Until last April you could have asked me what the JC was and I would have no clue.