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Who was Revan?

Discussion in 'Archive: Games' started by Rogan_Agar, Apr 2, 2005.

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  1. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Dan Wallace said they told him that when he asked about it in the essential chronology.

    Also a recent Tales comic refering to Revan saying: 'he will come and use the Qel-Droma robes' meaning he has to be a lightside male.
     
  2. neo_mp5

    neo_mp5 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    i think it would be interesting if the name given to him after his memory was wiped included the last name "skywalker" and shmi was a descendant, 200 generations later.


    what was revan's name before his sith name?
     
  3. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    No-one knows
    Thats why why you get to choose it

    Anyone who wishes to know more about Revan should drop into the Darth Revan Fan Club & ask the Acolytes of Revan
    They know it all :p



    Darth Revan Fan Club
     
  4. Darth_DSpice

    Darth_DSpice Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think Revan was his real name and the reason I think that is that Darth Bane was the one who started the idea of giving Sith new names. You get to name your character because he had his memory wiped and he doesn't know he's Revan. Check out this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Revan to know a lot about Revan and yeah we at the Darth Revan Fan Club do know it all.
     
  5. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon

    Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Knight star 6

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    I think Revan and the Exile are both skilled in the obscure art of Force Sexchange, and can be either male or female at will.

    Or maybe that was part of the Jedi wiping Revan's memory and creating a new identity; maybe they gave him/her a little operation....
     
  6. Darth_DSpice

    Darth_DSpice Jedi Knight star 5

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    Very interesting theory. Thats all i have to say about that.
     
  7. kainangmar

    kainangmar Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Kotor: Revan was male. See above arguments.

    Kotor2: The Exile is male, it makes the whole Atris story work better.
     
  8. neo_mp5

    neo_mp5 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "I think that is that Darth Bane was the one who started the idea of giving Sith new names."

    no, i think it was common practice at trayus academy. bane brought the tradition back.
     
  9. SithLordDarthRichie

    SithLordDarthRichie CR Emeritus: London star 9

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    I don't think Revan was the original name
    Revan works too well as a Sith name to be coinsidence

    If you list it with all the Sith names and the meaning or word associated with them Revan fits in very well.
     
  10. Masterskippy

    Masterskippy Jedi Youngling star 1

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    In my personal universe, Revan is female. I also like the possibility that throughout the ages (4000 years is A LONG TIME AGO IN A GALAXY, FAR, FAR AWAY...:)), that unless Revan managed to make a holocron of some sort, and perhaps throughout the various Sith Wars (including PT timeline), that many records were lost from long ago or destroyed.

    I kinda like for the 'official canon' to keep it where the Jedi and the Galaxy know of Revan's exploints, but not enough information is left to prove the gender of Revan. Through meditation, each Jedi (or Sith), could pick up what motives Revan ended up with, but to the general public, the knowledge was also lost.

    It would keep with the game choices, but if someone said that one of the designers said LS male, oh well.
     
  11. Russy

    Russy Jedi Youngling

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    Prehaps all shall become clear in KoToR III !!
     
  12. 7-7-7

    7-7-7 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    We can only hope that they'll give Revan a face and personality, but alas, it's unlikely that we'll even see a KOTORIII, much less a good on tha answers some questions.

    And it makes sense that any information about Revan and his history/physical appearance would have been lost. The Old Jedi Order were so close-minded and repressive that if any information about him had survived, they would have destoyed it to make people think that it is impossible to come back from the dark side or be redeemed if you disobey the council (not that disobeying them is such a bad thing, anyway...)
     
  13. Russy

    Russy Jedi Youngling

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    Nooooo - Dont Depress me! They have build up all these questions, they must make a KoToR 3 that answers all the questions about Revan! or I will simply shove my head up my own arse...
     
  14. SheLeftMeForAWookiee

    SheLeftMeForAWookiee Jedi Youngling star 2

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    The story is just as enticing with Revan as a male OR female character. Plus, so are the various movites for different characters.

    If Revan was female, Malak might have followed her out of love, as well as admiration. If Revan was male, Malak might have followed him out of respect and admiration, like a little kid following around his idol.

    Regardless of gender, Malak would have followed Revan out of lust for knowledge and, ultimately, power. Once Malak decided that he had the upper hand, he broomed Revan and took power for himself, and recruited Darth Bandon as his new Apprentice.

    Revan's relationships with the other characters is totally dependant on gender. Ultimately it isn't Revan's gender that is important, only his/her actions that influenced galactic history that are.
     
  15. Darth_Invidious

    Darth_Invidious Force Ghost star 6

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    Quite frankly, this is a pointless debate. Both KOTOR games are RPG's. The nature of the game pretty much dictates that your character's attributes are from your own choosing, preference, what-have-you. Revan can be a lightside/darkside male/female. that's four branching paths/alternate realities for that character, right there. And this is without including the particular appearance, pre and post Jedi classes and attitude/interaction with the game's NPC's and party members. Right there, the possibilities would seem endless. Same goes for the Exile. LucasArts' or Lucasfilm's position that both Revan and the Exile are "Lightside males" doesn't even cover all the distinct possibilities associated with both characters.

    Fitting them into the canon or continuity is therefore useless. Besides, unless a KOTOR movie is actually made or unless the characters are referred to in any "official" novel -- and both possibilities are highly unlikely -- the nature of Revan's and the Exile's personalities and genders should only concern the player's personal continuity.

    KOTOR is gaming perfection. The stories and characters are truly compelling. But the nature of the games simply makes their standing in the continuity extremely ambiguous, mercurial and any other dubious adjective you can think of.
     
  16. Dark_Lady_Revan

    Dark_Lady_Revan Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Thank you, Invidious, for restoring some logic.


    If we knew who Revan was, would it make the game as appealing to us? Knowing who Revan "officially" was would in fact spoil the game for many of us.

    A lot of you like to think of Revan as a good male. But how do you think those who believe in him to be a bad woman (or so on) would feel? They would feel betrayed and as though their gaming experience was belittled.

    Revan's identity should never be confirmed. Most of you, I think, only want it confirmed so that you could point fingers in the faces of those who played the game differently than you and say, "Ha! I was right! You suck! Your Revan sucks!"

    Or something not quite so childish...hopefully.


    And I think Revan was her real name.
     
  17. Darth_Invidious

    Darth_Invidious Force Ghost star 6

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    And I think Revan was her real name.

    Yes, but is that her first name or last name? :p

    For some reason, the developers made the game far more compelling when the PC is a woman. At the very least, the interaction with the mostly male members of your party is far more interesting, especially when one of the guys -- or in female Revan's case -- one of the girls -- has the hots for you.

    It makes more sense for Revan to be a girl, especially when in the cutscenes Revan has the slightly smaller build of a woman (that, or Malak was a really tall fella). And the romance plot with Carth seemed to be far more interesting than male Revan's romance with Stuck-Up-Ice-Queen Bastila.
     
  18. Darth_DSpice

    Darth_DSpice Jedi Knight star 5

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    ^^^Not really because have you heard some of the cut out stuff from Kotor2. This is a quote from Bastila "Oh master I love you but I hate all you stand for but i think we should go press our slimy mucus covered lips together in the cargo hold." That is actually HK talking about his former companions but he recites it in her voice. Check it out and other cool deleted stuff http://www.tubertarian.com/kotor2missingcontent.php
     
  19. Masterskippy

    Masterskippy Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Dspice,

    Thanks for making me get mad at Obsidian and LucasArts..:p Those clips left out would have made the game much better than it was. More complete. Atton's jokes is a gem...the whole "Are you an angel?" line is a classic..:)
     
  20. Darth_DSpice

    Darth_DSpice Jedi Knight star 5

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    Your Welcome, theres also a petition on that link to to get Obsidian and LucasArts to make a revised Kotor2 UNCUT. Sign it because its really going to Obsidian and if there are enough sigs then they will do it. BTW it wasn't Obsidian's fault they were planning on putting the deleted stuff in but the schedule set by LucasArts made that impossible. I wish I could have seen that planet full of droids.
     
  21. SheLeftMeForAWookiee

    SheLeftMeForAWookiee Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Revan and Malak are the sith lords' original names. They resurrected the sith order, but since everyone knew they were the sith lords, why go to the trouble of creating a new, secret name to go by, when they can just tack "Darth" on as a prefix and go their merry way in conquering the galaxy?

    Besides, in KOTOR, I believe that it is mentioned many times that Revan and Malak are their original names. After Revan's mind is wiped he/she is assigned a new name as part of his/her new life.
     
  22. LukeGroundwalker

    LukeGroundwalker Jedi Master star 3

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    Darth Revan

    "Revan was power. Staring into his eyes was like staring into the heart of the Force. Even then, you could see the Jedi he would slay etched on his soul." ? Jedi Master Kreia, in Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

    Darth Revan is a fallen Jedi and Dark Lord of the Sith in the Star Wars universe. Revan is featured in the video game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, which is set 40 years after the Great Sith War and the fall of Exar Kun, or 3,956 years BBY.

    Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow.
    NB: In the game, Revan may be either male or female. Due to incomplete programming, several points in the game indicate that Revan is male, which is the canonically stated preference. The player's choice of a male or female Revan will not change the game's endings or Revan's allies, but this article will follow Star Wars canon and address him as male.


    Before the Wars
    When Revan was first being trained as a Jedi Padawan, he was found to be very strong in the Force. His close friend Malak was strong in the Force as well, though Revan was undeniably the stronger of the pair. Revan's first Jedi Master was Kreia, though he learned from several others, including Masters Zhar, Dorak, and Kae. But after learning from these Masters, he came back to learn more from Kreia. After the Jedi Civil War, Kreia was overcome with guilt and confusion about Revan's fall. She journeyed to Malachor V, where she was corrupted by the dark side, becoming Darth Traya.


    The Mandalorian Wars
    Nearly 4,000 years before the events of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, a warrior race known as the Mandalorians began raiding worlds on the edge of the galaxy. The Jedi Order insisted on staying out of the war, feeling that the true threat had not yet revealed itself. Many younger Jedi were unwilling to wait as the Mandalorians assaulted planet after planet, and so Revan and his friend Malak organized a force of rebellious Jedi Knights to assist the Republic in defeating the Mandalorians. Revan proved to be not only one of the most powerful Jedi in history, but also a master tactician. He was willing to sacrifice entire planets so as to make the most important ones impenetrable. And despite taking massive casualties (oftentimes as many as ten Republic soldiers for every Mandalorian), Revan was consistently able to outmaneuver and overwhelm the enemy both in space and on the ground.

    The final battle of the war took place at Malachor V. Revan sent his most disloyal men to lure the remnants of the Mandalorian fleet there, where a Mass Shadow Generator had been placed. The general overseeing its use was the Jedi Exile, who gave the order to activate it. The result nearly destroyed the planet. Few on either side survived.

    At Malachor V, Revan discovered the Trayus Academy, where he was corrupted by the teachings of the Sith. The planet itself was an ancient storehouse of the Sith; steeped in a darkness so great that it almost destroyed Revan. He was able to survive this darkness only by giving into the dark side of the Force. Taking the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith, he began to corrupt other Jedi easily.


    The Star Forge
    After his corruption, Revan took ships beyond the known galaxy in search of an ancient artifact, a megastructure known as the Star Forge. For several years prior to the war, Revan and Malak had been researching artifacts in reference to this powerful Star Forge. They discovered that it was a massive space station with the ability to produce an almost limitless number of ships, accomplished by siphoning matter and energy from a nearby star as well as feeding on the dark side energies imbued within it. Revan and Malak, now beholden to the dark side, created a massive fleet to destroy the Old Republic and the Jedi, reforming the ex-Republic forces who followed them into a militaristic empire.


    The reinvigorated Sith won battle after battle, until a young Jedi named Bastila Shan entered the fray with her Battle Meditation. This rare and powerful Force ability increased the combat effect
     
  23. Darth_DSpice

    Darth_DSpice Jedi Knight star 5

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    You could have just hyperlinked it to save some time!!!
    Here is the hyperlink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Revan
     
  24. Commander-DWH

    Commander-DWH Manager Emeritus star 4

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    Allow me to point out that wikipedia is not the most reliable source on the internet?

    Besides, I hold that, whatever wishful thinking may be floating around, we're probably never going to get a definitive Revan. Quite frankly, I prefer it that way. Each player puts so much into his or her own Revan that by choosing one default Revan, it would disappoint a lot of people. Invalidating peoples' games isn't cool, yo.

    Besides, all the slip-ups where the characters refer to Revan as "he" when the player sets Revan to female can be chalked up to poor code. Personally, I think it's inexcusable. If I handed something that functioned like that in to my profs, I'd have major points knocked off. Granted, they weren't given nearly enough time. Still, that seems like a simple thing to set up, and they still managed to screw it up.

    Speaking as a programmer, it would not be difficult to create a KotOR III where, at the very beginning, you select a Revan model, and Exile model, and go from there. It'd make the game files bigger (as if they're not huge already), but I think the largest number of people would be happy with such an approach. I also think most of us are willing to wait for it.

    As far as I'm concerned, Revan was a LS female with an organic fruit farm.

     
  25. Darth_DSpice

    Darth_DSpice Jedi Knight star 5

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    I wish there was a definate Revan that way i won't have to hear all this contraversey its driven me insane.

    BTW there are other sources which confirm Revan and the Exile were LS Males. I think LucasArts and LucasFilm confirmed it somewhere.
     
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