ST Who's The Baddie?

Someone competent.

 

After the stupid Yuuzhan Vong, I think I've had enough of a rampaging horde of aliens from beyond the galaxy itself.

 

Anyway, I put my Mordred idea out there a few times, and not a lot of interest was shown. Which is totally cool.

When it comes to debate, I believe in fairness. People come in here and pick the Plagueis-Palp people apart, saying all sorts of rude things, which I think stinks. At least they put time and effort into their ideas, which is more than I can say for the pickers.

So: the Imperial Commander rumor, for example, is not my first choice for a villain. But I'm willing to be open to the idea if that's what happens. I hope it will be well executed. Others here, however, act like they'll hate the ST if they don't get exactly what they want. I believe in enjoying the ride.

 

I read Plagueis and it was a great insight into how the Sith starting with Plagueis than Pal brought down the Jedi and Republic. I feel that Palp did his thing took out the master and later Vader/Luke took him out end of story. I understand most on here are EU haters and I just can't understand that if Lucas approved EU why can it not be apart of VII 30 years later. I agree some things in EU was over the top you don't have to use it but pull out the good stuff. So I believe and have said before if you want the return of the sith you can have a whole unkown planet of sith. A great sith antagonist would be Vestara, her dad and the rest. The Imperial commander could be Dala who was Tarkin's girl and she would want to bring the Empire back and revenge for Tarkins death. I just hope JJ can capture the magic from OT with the old big three and carry it over to the new guys to take it further.

 

Your comments on page 399 weren't so rad. Your blatant and plump attempt on manipulation even less. You're really one to talk about fairness. If you wanted to provoke me, you have really - really succeeded.

There are a few things I dislike. Resurrections being one of them.

 

I've looked at 399 a couple times and I'm not sure what's bothering you.

 

Right, I get you, and I do like the idea of bringing in wildly unknown villains from something really out of the known SW realm.

The only thing is, the way SW is, you have the wars, then you have the (somewhat separate) battles among the leaders. The Jedi always seem to be able to turn it into a 1 on 1 with the evil leaders (Obi Wan vs Anakin (PT), Obi Wan vs Vader (ANH), Yoda vs Palp, Obi Wan vs Grievous, etc.). If you have a non-force user as a main bad guy, or even one that isn't a very powerful dark force user, you run into the problem of explaining that- how do the Jedi not just find and destroy this leader, when they have always been able to go head to head with the other leaders? Not that I am per se against what you are talking about, I just don't see a plausible way it would work (although I am certainly open to the possibility of it if someone made a good story out of it). Maybe they can fight and get away like Jango did against Obi Wan on the Clone planet, but it would seem pretty obvious that the Jedi are going to find and destroy him more sooner than later.

 

Darth_Pevra
How does an Imperial Commander, equal a ressurection?

 

To be fair Dra, I have seen you shred a few people for posting ideas because it didn't fit into the Sidious/Anakin/Plagueis arc.
But we seem to come full circle back to Plagueis once a week and it ends up like this, Either because someone asks a question about plagueis or someone else says "Nooo only plagueis and Sidious can be used!"
But lets settle down here people. I've been thinking of a few ideas and will try to post em soon

 

That was over 10 years You really don't want to give it another try?

 

Agreed, I do see a distinction between ripping someone's ideas up and coming in and saying, "Hey, let's talk about something different, I'm getting tired of this." You aren't going to copy a novel, or even a page in a blog, so it is really easy to jump in with the "That's too vague" or "that's just like ____" criticism.

 

I wouldnt mind seeing the Vong, Or sith purebloods, An unknown invasion would be pretty interesting in my opinion and more personal and dramatic then damn droids.

 

I'm willing to bet the Imperial Commander would be following the orders of someone higher.

Maybe once the Banking Clan had finished financing the rebellion, and achieved the death of Sidious (earlier than expected and with a fair bit of luck), the market stagnated and they then moved on to financing a second rebellion; an ex-imperial rebelling against the new republic.

But I think we all know who I believe holds influence with the Banking Clan, and who I believe would be the one commanding the commander



All roads lead to......
(I jest)

 

Oh really? Let me help you with this.

If you don't like what I like, go away. And this when so far in SW there were only ghostly resurrections.

Brushing off a relevant argument with the non-argument that nobody cares, when clearly in this thread people did.

Sarcasm

 

The Sith and their plans really need to evolve.

To what? I don't know, surprise me.

Manufactured war is now passe. Galactic military / political domination? BFD. Been there done that multiple times now.

The threat level needs to go from "Orange" to "Red".

This generation of Republic citizens entering the ST won't be so easily swayed nor manipulated to blindly do the bidding of a few, or just one, sentient being. Many comparisons have been made between Palps and Nixon. Well, what was the general attitude toward political powers post-Watergate and post-Nam? General mistrust of authority of all types. So, a Sith Lord aspiring to sit in the captain's chair can no longer be a valid motivation. It took the Baneite Sith line 1,000 years to achieve what they did. There won't be an encore performance a few decades later. I'm intrigued at what run_luke_run said concerning a personal vendetta against the Skywalkers' and other personnel that dealt a serious blow to the Sith agenda.

I am personally holding out for Plagueis for many reasons. Firstly, I don't believe Darth Sideous was fully aware of the Sith Imperative. Plagueis kept his apprentice in the dark on many matters. The thirst for knowledge drove Palpatine silly for years. Palpatine, and we as the audience, are not privy to all the Sith had planned in seeking their revenge plot. Galactic control dominating the Jedi may have just been high camp for the next level. Secondly, the DP novel discusses some interesting concepts that went beyond basic mortal might. There is this idea of ruling both this realm, and the next, which I personally found *big*. Thirdly, Plagueis "died" shortly before the Battle of Naboo. I still wonder if it was Plagueis that opened the door for identity retention in the Force, with Qui Gon somehow being sucked into this open vortex upon his death?

The threat level from the new baddie needs to go to the next level; as in accessing power from the next realm will result in the destruction of the physical universe. Let's go big JJ!!!!!

 

The Muun who started it all? Ah screw it, I'm not beating the dead horse again. Ach. Nothing against you Chiznuk, it's just ... arggg!

 

Sorry Pevra; a little in in a reply. This is response to your response to my response (well, you get it).

I agree there is no need for a war to take revenge on one family, but one quick question and then a comment:

1) Are we having war? Star Wars has had battles and one war on-screen (The Clone Wars of course). Just making sure I wasn't missing something.

2) Taking revenge on Luke could certainly ignite a new war.

 

run_luke_run
1) What about the galactic civil war?

2) Possible. But I think something terrible would need to happen to incite a war. Not just the death of a Luke relative, but something more awful, like the death of a planet. Maybe the villain has to destroy a planet or so to take his revenge.

No, that's not it or at least not all. It's just that I think I've already posted the response I was about to post to you ten times before.

Spoiler

If you want to know its about after a villains death pulling another villain who is supposedly so much bigger and meaner out of the woodworks can come across as pretty cheap. Secondly about audiences not remembering Plagueis and therefore not identifying him as the muun who started it all.