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I always thought the excuse was that they didn't want the page to be at "Sheev Palpatine".

 

Most people just call him Jacen anyways, so...

 

And my headcanon has Jacen Solo of 25 to 41 ABY was a clone.

 

I would just headcanon everything after NJO out of existence

 

I'm not brave enough for Wookieepedia Politics - Obi-Wan, probably.

 

I feel like the Snoke page has been cleaned up quite a bit
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Snoke

 

Be bold! https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Be_bold_in_updating_pages

 

I need to get around to cleaning up the Sidious page.

 

Just had a go at adding a little bit to Nooranbakarakana's page from Tempest Runner. First time editing anything on Wookieepedia, so it'll be interesting to see if it stays there.

 

It's fascinating that Snoke page right now is a bit more fleshed out. At least you can get the jest of what he's about

 

The Legends page for the Liberation of Bespin seems to me to be covering three different events: the uprising from ROTJ's Special Edition, a shortly-post-Endor liberation mentioned in The Truce at Bakura and The New Essential Guide to Characters, and a (presumably years later) liberation from the Imperial Remnant in Battlefront: Elite Squadron. I think the page should be split, but I'm not entirely sure how to do that - move the current page to Liberation of Bespin (Imperial Remnant) and make new pages for the other two events, maybe?

 

The Imperial Remnant didn't exist until eight years after Endor, so don't name it that.

A quick glance at X2's page makes it seem like the dating of the post-Endor stuff in Elite Squadron is pretty nebulous --- is there anything that confirms its Liberation of Bespin isn't set in the first few months after Endor?

 

That fact about the Imperial Remnant is actually what makes me think they must be different events. I suppose "the Imperial Remnant" could be taken to just mean the post-ROTJ Empire, but it's capitalized as though it were the specific faction. It's not very strong evidence (particularly if there's precedent for the Empire being called the Imperial Remnant), but there's nothing to say that it is the circa 4 ABY event. There's not much to go on either way.

X2's having been trained as a Jedi by Luke also fits better with a later placement, but Luke's had early students before.

 

"The Imperial Remnant" naming scheme is frustrating especially given we get a Formal Imperial Remnant with Pellaeon in charge

But then "The Imeprial Remnant" ala the scattered warlords, Moffs and what Rae Sloane called her faction prior to the Renaming to First Order is also a Remnant

Then of course in Legend same rules apply

 

For once I agree with Jeff - at least that this isn't the right term to use in this context, though we have very different views on where the term "Imperial Remnant" should originate (my take: it's an informal New Republic term for Imperial Space that isn't used in pre-reboot canon anywhere before the NJO that I can think of immediately, but then we also disagree on whether the network of loyalist fortress systems constitutes a meaningful continuum of territory before that)...

Also, a tricky and awkward question. The page on Sirpar has said since it was created in 2005 that there's a planetary capital called "Jacelle", which has subsequently acquired its own Wookieepedia page and canonical affirmation in the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia in 2008. This is pretty obviously an error for the place of the same name on Sirdar, featured in a sidebar story in 1994's Creatures of the Galaxy.

The supposed city on Sirpar certainly dosn't appear in Adventure Journal #2 - there's no hint of a meaningful settlement at the spaceport, and no civilian population worth mentioning - or Alien Encounters, or The Hunt Within... but does anyone have a copy of the earlier 1998 Star Wars Encyclopedia to see if the mistake originated there?!

Thanks!!

- The Imperial Ewok

 

That's this book, right? I just checked my copy, and there's no entry for Jacelle (or Sirdar, for that matter), and no mention of Jacelle in the entry for Sirpar:

 

The occupying force in the Elite Squadron level being "the Imperial Remnant" comes from the game, though. That could be taken as a timeline placement indicator, or just an error, but I can't see anything to say that they couldn't be the Remnant.

 

I feel like he issues is

We have....THE REMNANT: Which to me indicates Pellaeon forces post a certain point in the timeline

then Imperial Remnant, which is just a cover all name for Imperial Forces post Endor.

 

The term "Imperial Remnant" was first used by Stackpole in 2000, but it wasn't really until 2009 when The Essential Atlas formally established exactly what that term meant. In the interim you got a scattering of sources that used it as a catchall term for Imperial forces post-Endor. The solution here might just be a Behind the Scenes note in the battle's article saying that the naming used in the video game may not be correct.

 

That makes sense, "the Imperial Remnant" is potentially ambiguous. For now I'll just add a BTS note and remove the ROTJ SE appearance, but the assumption that the two are the same event still doesn't quite sit right with me. Would Liberation of Bespin (Lando's Commandos) and Liberation of Bespin (X2) be better article names?

 

That's the one!! Thank you!! Okay, that really raises the possibility that this city is a Wookieepedia mistake that's stumbled into canon, though it might be from some other source of slightly higher authority like Dan Wallace's Planets & Moons notes.

Anyone know how to contact the guy who created the original entry, JustinGann - is that @ColeFardreamer or am I wildly misremembering...?

Canon is canon, but what's the contxet in which the term is used? Narrative? Dialogue?

Yes, the real question is who uses the term "Remnant", and when...

The reboot has "Imperial remnants" as a term among loosely NR-aligned people around 5 ABE, which isn't a problem in this context...

You and I still don't agree on "exactly what that term meant"!!

But Stackpole's dialogue implicitly distinguishes between NR characters who use "Remnant", and Pellaeon and Saretti who still say "Empire", and Leia's line in Chapter 12 of Destiny's Way is pretty clear: "Now remember, we call it the Remnant, but to these people it's still the Empire"...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

@Thrawn McEwok Justin Gann is on TFN as @Senator_Cilghal if I recall right. Or had been once at least. Should also be somewhere on Fb!

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The level's introductory narration, a monologue by X2: "But my first challenge as a Jedi would be the liberation of Bespin from the clutches of the Imperial Remnant."
X2 could be just as confused over what the IR is and isn't. I can't find a case of the term being used (incorrectly or otherwise) as early as 4-5 ABY in Legends, but Jedi Knight II's 12 ABY Imperial Remnant was later retconned to be the Empire Reborn.

 

You know, I hope enough time has passed now that this won't start a fight, but the recent-ish controversy over Supernatural Encounters really demonstrated for me how powerful Wookieepedia still is in the fandom's perceptions. There's always been some discussion over both its quality and canonicity, but for the most part they were quite civil and the general consensus was that, like any piece of shared-universe apocrypha, how official it is is a call pretty much up to the individual.

The moment somebody tries to make one side of the debate "Wookieepedia Official," though? The fur starts flying, with numerous accusations of bad faith volleyed every which way, to the point that even I, one of the story's biggest supporters (in part because I like dubiously-canon apocrypha) wondered if there might be something fishy going on with the its production.