Would ROTS Have Been A Better Film If It Had Included More Suited Vader?

I said it would be nice, not that it is going to happen or that it should. except maybe to give people all that they seem to think is missing from the movie.

 

I agree with you that it should've gone for 3 hours. But not for the reason on seeing Vader kill Jedi. I can understand why you're kid would wanted to see Vader kill Jedi but in the context of the actual movie it is not required. The majority of the killing is done pre-suit because suited Vader is not as powerful as pre-suited Vader.

 

Ditto on the Vader part. An extended version will solve that problem though Kournikova, along with some others.

 

I agree with you that it should've gone for 3 hours. But not for the reason on seeing Vader kill Jedi. I can understand why you're kid would wanted to see Vader kill Jedi but in the context of the actual movie it is not required. The majority of the killing is done pre-suit because suited Vader is not as powerful as pre-suited Vader.

Totally agree. A scene like that would have been fun for the fans, but it wasn't really necessary from the point of view of the movie. If anything, I think it was to Lucas's advantage to make a point of always having Anakin's face exposed when he committed "dark deeds." Lucas wants us to see Anakin as a tragic hero. As soon as he becomes masked Vader, though, there's much more of a tendency for the audience to depersonify him.

It's the same principle that operates with the stormtroopers - as long as they're masked, the audience will tend to perceive them as drones and not feel much emotion when they get killed. When their faces are exposed, though, they come across as human beings to be sympathized with.

 

Well, to clarify on my post when I said "ditto" I didn't agree to the Vader slaying Jedi etc. My Vader and others Vader are two totally different entitys. If you want you can go back a page or so and read some of my posts where I explain what I thought should have went down, related to Vader that would have enhanced the story, without undermining its premise.

 

I think Jaws would have been a better film with more shark...

...and Boogie Nights would have been a better film with more Roller Girl.

Where do I go to complain?

 

At Celebration III there was a preview of the films showing eight minutes of film footage. Afterwards, Rick McCallum came out and took questions from the audience.
One guy got up to the microphone and asked, "Will we have the privelage of seeing Darth Vader's first victim be Jar jar?"
Rick answered, "Ok, you know, the thing about that is...oh...just wait until may, you'll see."

 

So what are trying to say Lament with regards to Vader? I have an idea, but would rather hear your thoughts than speculate on the matter.

 

Live my thread...live.

 

It's alive my friend don't worry.

I wander if GL will allow for a Cartoon Series like Clone Wars to be made full of all the stuff from the comics (Eg Vader vs Maul) so that everyone can get their fix of suited Vader kicking ass and stop bagging ROTS.

 

I think it wouldve really something if there was a fight scene with suited Vader Vs. a Jedi (Obi-wan or whomever).

Although Im not dissapointed nor surprised that this wasnt included, Lucas couldve made it happen. Hayden vader is just as good in my eyes though.

 

Yeah but then suited Vader would've lost and died and we wouldn't have an OT.

 

Cartoons won't salve anyones anger, including mine over Vader's lack of screetime. But...an Extended Version would. There was a thread earlier where they were talking about the book vs. the film. In it they mentioned all the good stuff the book had that the movie didn't, and by virtue of this, they reasoned it would be wise of Lucas to create and Extended Version just like we were talking about, to fill in the gaps.

 

I would have liked to have seen about 10-15 minutes of footage put back into the film and some extra time of Vader in the suit but there's nowhere for a suited Vader to get lightsaber action. It just wouldn't work.

 

Excellent thats what i like to hear. Maybe its gaining some momentum?

In terms of the cartoon i was only talkin about those people that love seeing Vader fight, not necessarily just giving Vader more screentime.

 

Just a thought, who knows what we will see in the TV series. Not every Jedi was killed during the Order 66 immediately. The Jedi Purge is still in full force. Although it has been stated that the story will revolve around minor characters, maybe a cameo by Darthy? I dunno.

 

After reading the book there were really powerful scenes in there, that would have added so much to the emotional context of the movie. I'll give you some examples of stuff that shouldn't have been cut, which if inclued in an EV of ROTS would turn in it, IMO, from an ok film into a very good one.

 

One. When Anakin enters the seperatist compound in the book, that Nemodian says "Welcome, Lord Vader on behalf of the confederation of Independent Systems let me be the first" Then Anakin interrupts him "Very well, you shall be the first" Then dices him with his saber.

Anakin then lowers his hood. "Why your Anakin Skywalker! Anakin's reply, "The appearance is deceiving" whack! Next, mind you I don't remember this verbatim, Wat Tambor, I believe says "You can't kill me your a Jedi!"Anakin coldly replys "You fought a war to destroy the Jedi...congratulations on your success" then kills Wat.

This dialogue sounds sooo like Vader's morbid sense of humor from the OT and would have further connected Anakin to the Vader we all remember. Not to mention it would have just been some cool, cold blooded **** for him to say, right before he kills their ass.

 

If you want to see suited Vader fighitng, I hear there's Episodes IV, V, and VI of Star Wars. Check 'em out.

 

Yeah i just read that part of the book, its really awesome i reckon. Should be added to an extended version for sure.

The Dooku fight should be extended also IMHO.

 

You gotta be kidding me, ABSOLUTELY NOT, NO NO NO NO. Something is wrong with you.

 

Who or what are you referring to tempest?

 

Yes. Definately extend Anakins fight with Dooku. It went by way too short. Christopher Lee's much too good, and charasmatic an actor to be killed so quickly. Oh, and while were talking about the dooku fight, George should have added this: When Anakin lops of Dooku's arms, and has his head is in between two blades, Palpatine says to Anakin to kill him.

In the book, Dooku responds by saying to Palpatine "What? But you promised me amnesty." This should have for sure been in there, Dooku begging for his life, then Anakin lopping off his head. It would have illustrated better, for the audience, Anakins beggining of his "plundge" into darkness.

Dooku's "pleading" is a missed oppurtunity to add even more dramaic flare to this particular scene.

 

Not only illustrates Anakin's plunge but also shows that Dooku isn't just a complete tool who just sits there and accepts his fate. He should say something to Sids. I can understand why they deleted it cos they wanted the Sids reveal scene to be cool, but even so....

 

Right. It would have made it more believable as well. I mean, if someones got a gun against your head fixing to squeeze the trigger, and you think that someone who has the power to save your life, of course your going to plead with them. Palpatine is Dookus only hope at this point.