Would ROTS Have Been A Better Film If It Had Included More Suited Vader?

One. When Anakin enters the seperatist compound in the book, that Nemodian says "Welcome, Lord Vader on behalf of the confederation of Independent Systems let me be the first" Then Anakin interrupts him "Very well, you shall be the first" Then dices him with his saber.

Anakin then lowers his hood. "Why your Anakin Skywalker! Anakin's reply, "The appearance is deceiving" whack! Next, mind you I don't remember this verbatim, Wat Tambor, I believe says "You can't kill me your a Jedi!"Anakin coldly replys "You fought a war to destroy the Jedi...congratulations on your success" then kills Wat.

This dialogue sounds sooo like Vader's morbid sense of humor from the OT and would have further connected Anakin to the Vader we all remember. Not to mention it would have just been some cool, cold blooded **** for him to say, right before he kills their ass.

I disagree completely. For Lucas to have extended this sequence to include dialogue would have interrupted the film's ascending level of activity. In addition, the director was able to develop and subsequently convey a palpable sense of brooding and tragedy through the realization of this scene; the ferocity with which Lucas executes the proceedings is masterful and operatic - his control over the mood here exhibits a precision which allows the scene to generate an emotional resonance of surprising complexity. The separatist slaughter helps us to understand the concept that Anakin has become engulfed in the vigorous nature of his repugnant, evil deeds - the successive filmic rapidity of this sequence not only allows Lucas to properly cultivate this dark, pervasive tone, but also to viscerally communicate his character's rather complete immersion in malevolence. The above dialogue is fairly well-crafted, but if it were to be implemented into the picture, there is the possibility that the scene in question could become rather methodical - the tenuous nature of the dialogue, as written, suggests that the mood could be broken with a series of darkly humorous one-liners, and comedy, morbid or otherwise, is not what Lucas sought here. As it stands, the sequence evokes an inexorable, encompassing power which envelops the viewer into its dark vision.

As for the matter being explored here, regarding the proposed quality of "Revenge of the Sith" had it included a larger amount of suited Vader, I will submit a rather crude analogy as a sort of addendum to my comments earlier in this thread: Does the inclusion of more sex and nudity in a film automatically make the work more erotic? No, not automatically; the result, in its base form, would merely be a movie which contained an abundance of sex and nudity, not eroticism. The quality sought by the filmmaker is more abstract, existing "between the lines," as it were, and therefore cannot be attained simply by the profusion of that which is superfically connected to sexuality. Tonal qualities such as the one in question, are imparted as a result of the cumulative efforts put forth by the director, actors, cinematographer, set designer, etc., as they reveal an underlying specificity to said artistic entity. The film is thus given shape and consequently made into something that is very particular.

By extrapolating the above notion and making it applicable in a theoretical fashion to the proposed abundance of mechanical Vader in "Revenge of the Sith," one could reasonably deduce that having more scenes involving the Sith Lord could possibly result in a less effective movie. If Lucas were to feature the suited Vader more prominently, the film's artistic merit would not immediately increase, as the underlying implication of this thread might suggest; technically speaking, such an inclusion could be successful, but it would have to figure into a somewhat reworked plot structure. "Revenge of the Sith," in its current edit, is not about the suited Vader, and so extensive scenes involving that character could perhaps appear to be tacked-on or extraneous. The point here is that less is somet

 

If we saw a suited Vader fighting in Rots using current technology and fight choreogrpahy it would have made the fights. in the OT look even worse. The amout of suited Vader was just fine to me, because I was the film to see unsuited Vader in all his glory until Obi got the high ground.

 

No. I would have liked to see more Vader, but James Earl Jones didn't sound anything like the original Vader, so it would have sounded weak.

 

I think Vader (in the suit) was perfect in the length and how the last scene of him is looking at the Death Star!

I would of like to see more of Vader pre suit more.

And I will probably get killed for this but I think Vader without the suit was cooler. ( Thats just my opinion and were all entitled to have our own opinions.) The murder of me may commence.

 

I was one of the biggest proponents of more suited Vader prior to seeing the movie, but I think the film works as is. I still would have liked to see Anakin dueling some adult Jedi in the Temple Raid - just one stinkin 20 second shot isn't too much to ask - but on the whole, it came out alright.

 

So what are trying to say Lament with regards to Vader? I have an idea, but would rather hear your thoughts than speculate on the matter.

My speculation here is that Rick resisted telling this guy that non-suit Darth Vader was who this movie was about, since he is dubbed with the name before the suit.
He probably was not concerned with the Jar Jar remark.

 

Yeah, I would definitely have liked to see more of Vader in the suit.

 

I would have liked more lines from Suited Vader, like when him and Darth Sedious look at the Death Star, more lines could have been included there but no had to be silent.

 

No. For a good reason, check out Scott Kurtz over at PvPonline.com and his fanboy drawing of proto-Vader from a few days back. He basically says what a lot of fans wanted from Episode III and as any fanboy script-idea, it's pretty stupid.

The amount of suited Vader we got was just right, I think. This is not the movie about how Anakin got into the Vader-suit, it's the movie about how Anakin became Vader. They are two separate things.

 

Better film? I guess we'll never know. In the suit or out of the suit, I would have liked to see Vader kill a few Jedi....but still, the movie was great.

 

I watched ROTS again last night. It was a far better experience this time around, with one glaring exception...

 

That Padme kept her clothes on?

 

NOT ENOUGH SUITED VADER! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

 

How many times have you seen ROTS now Unchained?

 

No. No. No. No. It didn't need suited Vader. Wasn't renegade Anavader enough? It was for me. This will be addressed in a spin-off cartoon or something; where it belongs.

 

For the time he was there though, it was half good and half awful. The construction was well done. Them picking and proding Anakins charred body, while he's writhing in pain. Magnific! As soon as he becomes complete is when the scene just falls apart, IMO. I still can't for the life of me figure out why in the hell Lucas didn't have Vader exhibit more destructive fury on that room after finding out about Padme. And the famous/imfamous NOoooo!!! was just uber-stupid. I mean, I just yelled Nooo!!! in my car on the way to the gym, and it sounded more deadly than Vader's version. Oh, and his voice...didn't sound like JEJ from the OT. It was off key.

 

"I watched ROTS again last night. It was a far better experience this time around, with one glaring exception"


I think you have made some progress hereDarth_Unchained .see it's not so bad. But i think you need a Vader suit of your own, then whenever you need to see more suit, you can look in the mirror.

Damn i missed your last post. I take it back you have learned nothing. (joke)

 

I almost threw my popcorn at the screen at the end when I realized there was no more Vader. And then I realized I didn't buy popcorn. I was very disappointed that they didn't include more of Vader, considering they show him with a lightsaber on promos. I expected him to have a fight. How utterly annoying.

 

He didn't destroy the whole room because he was trying to destroy Palps but didn't have the same level of power that he used to. The voice sounds strange IMHO only because Vader is using dialogue that we have never heard him utter before. We've never seen Vader ask about somebody because he loves them. We've never seen Vader scream in absolute agony because he lost the love of his life. Thats why it sounds strange IMHO.

 

i think there was enough of him in there, and i think as posted above, it sounded wierd cause we've never heard him display emotion of that nature.

 

I tell you what, you break out the catfish suit Duggy, and I'll do the same with Vader. And Master, it was my second viewing. I hate to admit when I'm wrong, but in this instance I was. It really is a good film, with the exeption of the now redundant beforementioned "issues" I have with Vader.

 

The suit is ultimately a metaphor, I think. Anakin allowed himself to be "incased" in the dark side through suit. He was a slave to Palpatine and the suit; like he was a slave to Watto. Who cares if he fought in it?

 

I tell you what, you break out the catfish suit suite Duggy, and I'll do the same with Vader


What suit?, i really look like this.

 

Duggy you're still here!!!

I agree with you chosen_one that the marketing of this film was misleading with Vader holding a lightsabre etc and can understand why people would leave disappointed in that regard. However in terms of the movie i think that Vader fighting with a lightsabre was unnecessary and would've served no purpose at all. When would he have done it? You can't have the Anakin/Vader fight halfway through the movie, it's rushed enough as it is!

 

TheAlmostChosenOne:

Lucas practically invented the merchandising portion of the movie business. You had to know he'd cash in on Vader just one more time essentially because he could. I'm not a basher, but that's the cynical truth (I work for a brokerage; it's hard not to be cynical).