[3SA] There isn't enough active moderation in the Ep3(SA) forum for the lead-up to ROTS.

Discussion in 'Communications' started by Darth Mischievous, Mar 5, 2005.

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  1. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    We can even make it a scrolling marquee in the header if you'd like. Seriously. Some forums do that. Bottom line, some people don't make the effort to PM any mod online to help and gripe about coverage when, in fact, there may have been 10 or more mods online at that moment who would have been more than happy to help. If this is your board and my board, maintaining it is a two way street.
  2. ObiWan506 Former Head Admin

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    Well I realize that you leave alot of the responsibility up to the Users when no 3SA MOD is available. I'm not completely aware of the policy but I'm sure spoiled MODs frequently check the 3SA for problems. That, coupled with the fact that you have some 3SA Users who are willing to help in notifying MODs when something is out of hand should be enough to mantain the 3SA for a few months.
  3. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    I don't see a bunch of redundant or spammy threads left open because we're not online as a big problem. It's an inconvenience. When there are major trolling and cursing threads and posts occurring and we're not online, that's when I believe regular users have a responsibility to tell any mod online that it's happening. These types of threads happen far less.
  4. ObiWan506 Former Head Admin

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    I know, and those are the types of threads I am talking about too. Surely you must believe that they will increase as we approach May 19th. And like I said ... User notification, 3SA MODs and Spoiled MODs should be enough to deter and control that sort of thing.
  5. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    Everything like that will increase. But I just want to stress that in terms of a crisis, redundant and spam threads left open aren't a huge deal when compared to other things. More often than not, it's the redundant and spam threads cluttering up the forum that gets people all bothered. All I'm saying is that that isn't the worst thing in the world.
  6. ObiWan506 Former Head Admin

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    I know spamming threads are annoying, but are you saying that for the time being we should just simply ignore them and let them die? The reason I ask is that most minor redundant and spamming threads usually turn into those major trolling & cursing threads that you are talking about. I know it's the whole Proactive vs. Reactive debate, but it's just something to think about. That's what I'm thinking about when I notify a MOD of a seamlessly unimportant thread. Because I know those types of threads are like a breeding ground for bad behavior.
  7. Dark_Lady_Jada Jedi Grand Master

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    Sapes I'm glad to know that you will be posting a list of mods to contact in case of a problem. I saw a bunch of threads getting out of control yesterday and wasn't sure who to contact.

    Of course by the time I contacted someone Bob had come to save the day :D
  8. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    I know spamming threads are annoying, but are you saying that for the time being we should just simple ignore them and let them die?

    I've always said that. I've been saying that for literally years. That's all we ever want people to do. The problem is, they can't resist the 'in before the lock', flames, etc...
  9. ObiWan506 Former Head Admin

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    I know. So then those types of threads grow into those major threads that you were talking about. So ignoring them wouldn't matter since you know most Users won't.

    Users just can't help themselves, :p
  10. Dark_Lady_Jada Jedi Grand Master

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    DarthSapient posted on 3/21/05 8:58am
    I've always said that. I've been saying that for literally years. That's all we ever want people to do. The problem is, they can't resist the 'in before the lock', flames, etc...

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    Personally and I know this is my opinion and we know what opinions are like ;) but I think the in before the lock, +1, etc. should warrant an automatic ban. It would discourage users from participating in needless posting and also let a thread die gracefully./>/>
  11. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    It's not an automatic ban. It is treated as a spam offense with each one added to a person's user notes. Accumulate anough of those and it's a ban. A locked thread means we then go to work on all the garbage after the thread was posted. A lock stops it from growing.
  12. ObiWan506 Former Head Admin

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    Thank you for posting the Contact List Sape. I'm sure it will help out some Users who are willing to help.

    :)
  13. jedi_master_ousley Manager Emeritus

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    I think that if a thread is redundant and no one has posted a link, the mod should post a link to the appropriate thread (unless it's in the official threads, which is easy enough). Not going to name any names, but I've been catching some instances of "This has already been discussed" being the lock reason, which isn't any more helpful than the rest of the spam in the thread.
  14. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    Most of those times it's because it's a sock of a long-time user or returning troll. There's no need to link it for them.
  15. YodaJeff Manager Emeritus

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    But they aren't the only ones who were following the thread. Multiple other users have seen the thread, and may be interested in where to go to find the original discussion (or to continue discussion) on the subject.
  16. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    I understand that. I try to always leave a link. Occasionally I'll forget to. But as a general rule all of the mods in the 3SA will try their best to provide a link as their own post, an edit to the initial post, or refer you to a specific user in the thread who provided the correct link.
  17. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    One thing that I generally think is done exceptionally well at this entire site is the amount of information the forum regulars are able to provide to an outsider mod coming in to solve a problem when the regular forum mods aren't present.

    Any time I've had to get help from the regular users on problem threads, the information I've gotten back has been completely solid.

    When the crap hits the fan, it's good to see a forum come together like that and support someone like me coming in with the only knowledge being "Help, we're under attack by trolls."

    I said "entire site" earlier, but the majority of my experience in putting out fires has really been in 3SA. You guys are great with this. (Now, if you would only like the EU, you'd be perfect. :D )
  18. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    (Now, if you would only like the EU, you'd be perfect. )

    <img src=http://www1.theforce.net/jc/icons/attackoftheclones/007_jocastanu.gif> If it isn't in our films, then it doesn't exist.
  19. Jedi_Interceptor Jedi Master

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    we then go to work on all the garbage after the thread was posted

    The "In before the lock" thing has never been controlled and I think experience should tell us it can't be without taking severe measures. I say make it easier on the mods and don't bother with the spam warnings in that case. All of your work there has essentially zero effect on the forum, so why bother?
  20. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    It's hard to control, but we're controlling some and that's better than nothing. If I took the defeatist attitude and it was apparent to regular users that that was my attitude, we'd get walked on even more.
  21. Dark_Lady_Jada Jedi Grand Master

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  22. Jedi_Interceptor Jedi Master

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    I let dashy know about that user a few minutes ago. This method generally works, but I've had to send about 20 of these types of PMs in the last month. :(
  23. BobTheGoon Moderator Emeritus

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    And Bob needs help. I mean, he needs help with moderating especially on the weekends because there are less moderators around.

    I dunno, I don't really feel overwhelmed. People have been really helpful PMing me with links to problems. On the other hand...

    Again, I think troll feeding should be a bannable offense.


    I'm beginning to agree with you.
  24. droideka27 Manager Emeritus

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    It's one of those things that should be banable if a person does it all the time, IMO. Issue warnings, then bans. That's pretty much how we do it in JCC, or at least how i do it.
  25. Dingo Force Ghost

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    It's one of those things that should be banable if a person does it all the time, IMO. Issue warnings, then bans.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was a standard rule. Depending on what exactly it is that a person is doing, it's either pure spamming (since all they are doing is posting for the sake of a post and not to actually add to the thread), or a form of baiting/trolling (depending on what/how they say something) and thus should be treated as such.
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