ST Critics' reviews for Star Wars: The Last Jedi

This is like the opposite of the Batman v Superman/Justice League situation you described.

 

Global vs local thinkers. I tend to be a global thinker. I look at each movie as a chapter in a larger picture that all need to connect. Some are able to look at every film individually for its flaws and shiny spots and isolate them. It's how different brains are wired.

Critics, on the other hand, (hopefully) are able to isolate movies and look at their flaws and shiny spots apart from the larger chapters they are part of.

 

North American viewers (which critics also are) are more attached to the characters and the SW universe in general, and may be more easily swayed by some things.

 

I thought the issue for a lot of them WERE about the characters tho? That's why I'm confused at the split in opinions.

The funny thing about all of this is Empire was kinda panned by a lot of fans at the time too. It obviously grew to be loved in time. ( not saying this is panned because the reviews suggest otherwise )

 

the problem that can arise with "global thinking" is you are always looking at a story and then imagining where it could go before you see the entire story holistically. I agree there is a lot of fun in doing that (and that is why forums like these exist) but it also causes what we have seen around here. People who build the story in their mind and are not able to set aside their preconceived notions, come can do this some can't. I have theories for Rey and other characters, but if it does not go the way I want I refuse to let that affect my enjoyment of the movie.

To me I want the 3 movies to work together as a whole because that is what made the OT so great. The OT is greater than the sum of its individual parts. Each movie synergizes with the others and that enhances each movie also on the individual basis.

I obviously would want 3 amazing movies that synergize perfectly(like the OT), but if I had to chose I would rather have 3 great movies that have a few pieces that don't flow, than 3 ok movies that flow together much better.

I do not believe we can really say for sure if the ST has good trilogy synergy until we see EP 9. Now I do agree we can make some deductions based on what we see in EP 7 and 8. But we wont know for sure until after 9.

 

Again, one can make an argument for that. Even Mark Hamill said that he didn't think Luke would say and do some of the things he ended up doing. Others have different opinions and that's how it always works.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nati...star-wars-last-jedi-unoriginal-tone-deaf-mess

Don't know if it's been posted.

 

This was identified more like 18 years ago.

 

Interesting, good to hear.

 

yes. It was one of the 1st negative reviews to hit the blotter. 1 of 11 in fact.

 

Ehrlich calls " it f'ing phenomenal."
and other people trash it so hard that it feels like the movie personally abused them. It's hard to understand what the heck is going on. lol So weird how diverse opinions can be.

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/critic/cole-smithey/movies

well we know we have a rotten review coming from this guy. He has panned Logan, Dunkirk, It, Baby Driver, and well just about any very well reviewed movie for the mass market this year.... at some point it becomes clear someone is a click baiter and they should be decertified.

 

currently on a 30 straight fresh streak. I like 10 or 11 more fresh in a row and it will tick up to 95%, and at this point 1 rotten review would not drop it to 93%

also it is 51% of TFAs total reviews 190-378. So it order to drop below 90 at this point it would have to get an 85% or lower from here on out.

here is the most recent review dropped

http://www.reviewexpress.com/review.php?rv=1847

5/5 from someone who says they don't typically like SW movies much but obviously loved this one. And she highlighted John Williams fantastic score.

 

I just think that people take this movie very personally. Rian tooks some risks with some characters. It'll work for many, but not for others.

 

just saw it...mind blown...a lot to process...it's a VERY BOLD and ORIGINAL SW movie. Some will love it others will be be disappointed. i think i really loved but i have to watch it again soon. Very bold. Very interesting if not flawess. It s epic and emotionally powerful..

 

Mendelson argues that TLJ was so good that viewers might not want to revisit old characters, just focus on what comes next. Which might be a problem for the Solo movie. Wow. That is quite something.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...e-too-good-of-a-star-wars-movie/#f2d757245ef8

 

would you say you went into it with an open mind? or did you have a mental picture of what certain character should do and what should happen to them?

 

I'm willing to bet open mind, but I'll anxiously await that response along with you.

 

I should note a few things here.

1. One of the reasons why GL trusted Disney, and I think he still partly does, is because of the fact that Bob Iger the Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company is a long time friend of his. Keep in mind Iger was actually one of the few that actually backed Lucus back when he was was President of ABC and George and Steven wanted to do the Young Indy series. He's the one that argued for it and to let them make it their way. So in regard to that aspect GL still probably has faith in the company.

2. Thomas O. Staggs, is the COO, and came on 2 years after the Sales. He's the one that has issue with younger characters and the 18 year old version of the mains isn't the first that he's been known to go after. There were large, very large, fights with a few other prominent directors and other production groups. So much so that he was pretty much asked to leave as of 2016.

Now something to keep in mind. TFA and TLJ were under his watch, which means that the new person in charge will be in charge of Episode 9, and they haven't named one yet. So basically right now there's no one over JJ's head. And if he wants to put more of George's vision into the story he can now with out trouble.

 

I would guess that particular friendship has been in the deep freeze since about 2013?

 

"...FOR THIS FACELESS CORPORATION THAT IS PRODUCING SOULLESS STAR WARS PRODUCTS ON...*sigh*...ON A HAIRLESS CONVEYOR BELT." -- Seether oh he Whines

 

I went with an open mind. i wanted something fresh and challenging and that's what i got. Actually the most "contreversial" leaks are not the parts of the films that cpunts as flaws to me, on the contrary they are all really great inventive visual/narrative stuff. There a couple of things im not sure i liked, but just details and one or two scenes, i'm not even sure i didn't like them, it's just that it's a very particular star wars, as i said, hard to process. There's some irreverence but in a good way. It's really an epic pop corn movie done by a real "auteur" with a vision. You love or hate the choices but it's not some souless product. And beneath all the actions, a lot of depth, some thought-provoking stuff about life, war, death, heroism, legacy, memory, good and evil, destiny, connection....a lot of cool psychedelic moments too. The visuals are wonderful. The acting is top. It's not OT vs PT, it makes the whole SW universe of past trilogies look coherent. And as i said it's very very epic and emotional, somehow lyrical -almost LOTR-ish, it really put the OPERA in space opera. A shakespearan cosmic tragedy...with some pulp adventures and offbeat humour that can distabilze the viewer haha. There's some crazy humour here and there, with a nod or two to mel brooks....i have to watch it again to have a definite opinion but it's a real piece of cinema. As i said it still have some flaws...some deux machina and story convenience...and, well, it's SO dense, it's hard to know how you feel about it sometimes, if what you see is good or bad WTF. But i think it's its force. It's something to see, then make up your mind. Go with an open mind. The controversial stuff are actually great and the Rey/Kylo dynamics is epic. Mark Hamill is just oscar-worthy IMO. A beautiful ode to Luke Skywalker.

In the end....better than TFA and RO despite its flaws. The "pros" are so awesome that even the "cons" can't undo them or waste them, if you know what i mean.
I don't know what i'll feel about this movie in a week, or a month or in 5 years. It's....i don't know....Rian Johnson made a monumental fresco. It tries things, not always succeeds(or maybe he does? have to watch it again) but always touches someting interesting.

Now those who want status quo in SW may return to the old EU..nothing for them here And SW is not just a RPG, "the force can do this or that", this character has "such level of strength" etc....it all works in an emotional and thematic environment that serves the story and its characters. It's not entitled to a set of rules.

 

Hey, don't forget to pop in here and post your review;

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/star-wars-the-last-jedi-fan-reviews-here.50047242/

 

Yeah but were you wined and/or dined beforehand?

It's important--it makes it easier for us to determine whether or not your thoughts are, in fact, your own.