ST Darth Plagueis is Snoke? (Episode VIII & IX)

someone actually told me it's Vader disguising himself. hope not.

 

Time placement of both Tarkin and Lords of the Sith novels conflict with each other. Not to mention, Vader meeting Luke in one of the comics before the events of TESB. For some reason, Marvel insists on doing that, because this wasn't the first time that this happened – it was done in the first series, back in the 80s.

 

In contexf, we were talkng about Plagueis being Sidious master as canon. No contradictions there, at all.

 

Nice try.

 

I've read both Tarkin and Lords of the Sith and I still fail to see any contradictions in terms of timeline placement. What exactly are you referring to there?

As for Vader meting Luke before TESB, where exactly was it stated in Empire that they hadn't met before or faced off before? I don't remember a scene or line of dialogue that states they never met.

 

I don't know, myself, but the guys on Jedi Council weren't sure to place the books in the timeline of something. Harloff is pretty much on top of things like that, and fans asking Pablo about the mix-up didn't get much of an answer of where these books should fit in sequence.

And to the second question, you're reaching there, my friend.

 

That doesn't mean it contradicts. It means they don't know where in the timeline it fits, other than between III and IV. The evidence you've put forth doesn't support, in any way, the notion that they contradict and that therefore we shouldn't take Plagueis being Sidious' master at face value.

Do you have a link to what Pablo said either?

At most it means that Some People on Some Site aren't sure where to place the books in the timeline of "Something."

Also, isn't this the same Harloff who claimed that he had two well trusted sources that claimed that Snoke look exactly like the EU's depiction of Plagueis? If so nothing he really says can be taken at face value.

As for the Vader point, how is that reaching? There was never anything stated that they didn't meet so by definition, there is no contradiction. For a contradiction to exist, there has to be something in the existing canon that would necessarily invalidate another piece of work. There is nothing to invalidate the idea that Vader and Luke met face to face prior to Empire. If we go by the old EU, they had met face to face before Empire in Splinter of the Mind's Eye as well.

 

No contradiction, like I said.

 

I think we're gonna get some expansion on how or what was lurking in the shadows, during the OT. Rebels is taking an interesting turn at the end of season 2.

 

Snoke is Grand Moff Tarkin

 

I'm as big a fan of the EU as anyone. But I was quite happy to see Splinter of the Mind's Eye go by the wayside. After reading the TFA novelization by him, I can see why that was such a bad book. There were way too many contradictions in it.

According to all canon sources we have currently, Luke and Vader didn't meet until they were on Bespin.

 

Splinter was out of date and inaccurate the second TESB was released. Up to now ROTS, TESB and TPM are my favourite novelizations.

 

I agree with you Django Fett. The only EU novel I was really sorry to see go was the book right before ROTS, Labyrinth of Evil.

 

DarthIshyZ I loved Labyrinth, it really sets up ROTS perfectly. It didn't drag on like The Approaching Storm, which I never actually finished. Cloak of Deception was ok, I just didn't like Vergere.

 

I'm really confused, are people really debating in here whether or not Plagueis was Palpatine's master? I didn't know this was something up for debate lol, it's pretty obvious from ROTS.

 

The new Marvel Star Wars comics are considered canon, yes?. If so, they met way before Bespin. It has been my understanding this entire time that they were considered canon material.

And Plagueis being Sidious' master is canon, as it is specified in the canon novel Tarkin. As if it wasn't obvious enough from ROTS. Not up for debate.

And as if it has not been said enough, Snoke is canonically (is that a word?) not a human.

Django Fett, spot on about Labyrinth. That book had me roped in from beginning to end.

 

This is very convincing because he looks a lot like him but the years past between the episodes

 

Of course he is not, as Pablo Hidalgo has said several times.

 

As much as I'm sure he looks human too, people in the Andy Serkis thread went to great pains to establish that apparently he is actually meant to be some kind of alien when I said I thought he was human. Apparently there's canon to back it up somewhere that he's some sort of alien too.

Either way I think it'd be very weird if he was Tarkin. What "training" would Snoke be referring to at the end if not force training? Boot camp? lol

 

Agree.

The Truth - Darth Sidious killed his Master Darth Plagueis.
The Lie - Darth Sidious telling Anakin he "could teach him to save the ones he loved".
Once he gets Anakin to turn he lets the cat out of the bag that he actually doesn't know but that they can learn together.


You spurned another idea in my mind.

I am typically of the mindset that Plagueis could only prolong life not actually create it.

However, Sidious said Plagueis could manipulate midichlorians to create life. (Truth or Lie?)

But why would Plagueis want to learn this ability? Was there someone (other than himself) he wanted to keep alive?

So here it goes:
What if Snoke is that creation although imperfect. Anti-Anakin.
Sidious never knew about him. He could feel the drakside power in the unknown regions of the galaxy but didn't know it was Snoke.

That would make Snoke:

• Not Plagueis
• Not Sidious
• Not Sidious's Master
• Not Vader
• Not a hidden apprentice

It would however make Snoke the son/offspring of Plagueis.

Just getting theories on paper.

 

It's a snokescreen!

 

I would argue that Sidious, having told Anakin that Plagueis was killed by his apprentice after he taught him everything he knew, would in turn NEVER teach Vader everything he knew. Which would mean it is unlikely he would have ever taught Vader how to cheat death or manipulate the midichlorians to create life if he knew how to do it. So when he moves the goal post in ROTS, it's something the audience would expect from Sidious.

I would also argue that before his encounter with that shaft, he seemed completely unconcerned with dying a natural death (which is how they originally interpreted the Emperor) but instead focused on changing apprentices with squashing the rebellion as a cherry on top. You have to wonder if Vader caught on eventually to the idea that he would never inherit the Empire via natural means. Which is why the Tarkin novel is so interesting in that it moved the Emperor's ultimate goals to something beyond cheating death. It essentially made it look like cheating death was small in comparison and left the door open to the idea that he might have already conquered that power.

 

Its all Snoke and mirrors.

 

I don't get it. Why is this thread still around, but when I opened a thread a week ago, or so, about Snoke possibly being Darth Nihilus, it got locked because there was "already a thread for Andy Serkis/Snoke".

 

This thread is meant to keep the Plagueis cult out of the Snoke thread. It's impossible to have any conversation about Snoke without the Plagueis folk interrupting the conversation. So the mods eventually opened this thread for the Plagueis people, but they still keep plaguing the other one.