Did Darth Plagueis create Anakin Skywalker?

Hmm, good point. Maybe the significant glance Palpy gives Anakin in the opera indicates that Palpy was the one who was created by the Force!

If the Sith Need to Exist through the Master and Apprentice relationship, then wouldn't it make sense that IF Palp did create Anakin, that as soon as he saw that Anakin was going to be (as George Lucas puts it on the ANH DVD Commentary) a "Shadow of his former self", then why would he not begin anew what he had previously done (create a child with a very high midiclorian count), and plant a seed somewhere else in the Universe, follow it, guide it, and then Turn it, to the Darkside.

Because that would have taken another twenty years, for one thing. The other point is Palpatine's main goal had already been accomplished, with the majority of the Jedi either dead or in hiding. The cleanup work left after RotS was child's play compared to what happened in the film, and Vader could presumably take care of it easily enough.

 

If the Sith had any hand in Anakin's creation, Palpatine would have made that abundantly clear to Anakin in the Chancellor's chambers during Palpatine's "confession" to Anakin. (read: absolutely no subtlety, just cut-to-the-chase "we're family, kid!")

Palpatine knows what we all know: Anakin is not the sharpest crayon in the box. With Anakin so near to turning, Palpatine would have played his ace in the hole, his indirect lineage, to maximum effect if it had any remote chance of being believed by Anakin. If it were true, Palpatine would be all but assured of having Anakin as his apprentice. Now not only would Anakin trust Palpatine for being able to supposedly save Padme, but Palpatine would be viewed by Anakin as a sympathetic godfather who only wanted to help his godson.

The most obvious proof that Plagueis had no involvement in Anakin's creation is that Palpatine did not connect the dots for Anakin, as Palpatine would have certainly done if he could. Palpatine would have been so straightforward about Anakin's lineage that there would be nothing to debate Failing to have any form of lineage to draw Anakin in with, Palpatine worked with what he had: a story full of innuendo and few specifics. And it was enough to get Anakin's attention.

 

no, because then he wouldn't be the chosen one would he?

 

I voted no.

Palps knew Anakin, knew his ambitions and his fears.

You can tell Palps gets a little upset that his "the Jedi are exactly the same as the Sith" storyline isn't working on Anakin at all.

Then he switches topics: "Hmmm....let's see how Anakin responds to this story".

 

no, because then he wouldn't be the chosen one would he?


Maybe the prophecy about 'the chosen one' doesn't specify HOW 'the chosen one' gets here.

 

Yes, he did.

 

He definatly did not.

!snap

 

If the Sith had any hand in Anakin's creation, Palpatine would have made that abundantly clear to Anakin in the Chancellor's chambers during Palpatine's "confession" to Anakin. (read: absolutely no subtlety, just cut-to-the-chase "we're family, kid!")

Not necessarily, particularly if Anakin was not aware of the particulars of his birth. Palpatine's innuendo that the Sith created him seems to go right over Ani's head. If it didn't catch his fancy the first time, why would he try to use it again? Palpatine already had an angle that was working (Amidala.)

Palpatine knows what we all know: Anakin is not the sharpest crayon in the box. With Anakin so near to turning, Palpatine would have played his ace in the hole, his indirect lineage, to maximum effect if it had any remote chance of being believed by Anakin. If it were true, Palpatine would be all but assured of having Anakin as his apprentice. Now not only would Anakin trust Palpatine for being able to supposedly save Padme, but Palpatine would be viewed by Anakin as a sympathetic godfather who only wanted to help his godson.

Speculation. It's also possible that if Anakin believed he was created by the Dark Side, that might have been enough to push him into more fully embracing the Jedi code. The desire to be "nothing like how dad turned out" is not an unheard-of motivation, particularly in the Star Wars story.

The most obvious proof that Plagueis had no involvement in Anakin's creation is that Palpatine did not connect the dots for Anakin, as Palpatine would have certainly done if he could. Palpatine would have been so straightforward about Anakin's lineage that there would be nothing to debate Failing to have any form of lineage to draw Anakin in with, Palpatine worked with what he had: a story full of innuendo and few specifics. And it was enough to get Anakin's attention.

Your "proof" is not proof. It is merely a basis for conjecture based on what was (not) said, just like the insinuations made by Palpatine are a basis for conjecture going the other way. It may be that the items prove convcincing to you, but that does not make it proof. It is, after all, relatively easy to come up with other credible motivations for why Palpatine would not further press the point (as I did above.)

 

first of all... is the story of darth plagueis even true?

looks like palps is checking if anakin has heard the story. perhaps the name exists, but what's the real story about him? perhaps he's just another sith...

anakin obviously answers no. palps may now continue to fabricate another lie. "i though not. it's not a story the jedi would tell you". he's undermining the jedi here...

then he's more or less free to tell anakin what he wants. it's almost like it's designed for anakin -the story fits anakin's need perfectly...

it seems like a lie to me. the part that's true though is that he killed his master in his sleep. but who was he? plaguis or someone else? if it was plagueis then i don't think the jedi know of that name due to one fact. i don't believe sidious to be close to a 1000 years old.

 

What if the power to create life can only be done once by a person.

 

I believe everything in Star Wars is from "A certain Point of View". Things in the Star Wars galaxy are almost never what they first appear.

As for the Plagueis or even Palpatine creating Anakin, I believe it is extremely strong possiblity....Ok the prophecy states that chosen one will be born of the force
and if he was created by Plagueis or Palpatine, he used the force to manipulate the midichlorians to create Anakin. So it was the force that created Anakin, which ever sith lord it was just help out with the blue prints...(like an architect designs a building but it the construction workers that build it.) Like Obi Wan said what I told you is true..from a certain point of view. And just because he was created by a sith lord didn't make him dark...we are subject to both genetics and our environment.
And as for Palpatine telling Anakin that Plagueis could manipulate midichlorians to create life didn't really seem to really see to spark any recognition.

 

I just loved Rodent's post, and it gave some plausible reasons to believe Anakin was created by Plaguis or Sidious.
I hate to admit that it is possible that Palpy/Sidious could have created Anakin.

My question is and has been since seeing the film, there has to be something to Palpy's claim concerning Plaguis ability to manipulate midichlorians. Secondly, why would Lucas have him speak concerning midichlorians and the ability to create life, when this was of not really important to Anakin and trying to seduce him. If all Palpy had said was that Plaguis had the ability to keep people from dying, that was all that was needed. Anakin never responded to the ability to create life.

I believe the line concerning creating life was strictly for the audience to consider the possibility that the Sith learned the ability to manipulate midichlorians to create life and keep people from dying.

One of my other questions is, if they did create Anakin, how did they do this in regards to Shmi?

Lastly, just a note in TPM, we first hear about midichlorians and that Anakin was possibly conceived by them. Let us remember that the midis are NOT the Force.

In AOTC, we learn about cloning, a type of manipulating cells to create life. In the AOTC novel, the Kaminoans wondered why Sifo-Dyas did not choose a Jedi to be cloned, in regards to the midichlorians

Now in ROTS, we hear Palpy speak of creating life through the dark side of the Force. Let us remember that he first exclaimed that through the dark side, there were abilities that would be considered unnatural. Then when Vader is being fitted for the life-support suit, the scene reminds you of Dr. Frankenstein's lab, where we know he basically brought back the dead, and gave new life to the monster.

Darth Sin!

 

There are people on both sides of the debate, and Lucas and McDiarmid have stated that this was intentional. To leave it ambiguous. Which it is.

My question is: why did GL decide to go this route? Does it really serve the story to leave this ambiguous? GL has made every effort to make the entire SW saga Anakin's life story. We see his life from age 9 all the way till he dies and even afterwards. Why preserve the mystery of his birth?

Whether Anakin was created by just the Force, or the Force with help from Palpatine/Plagueis, his birth is "unnatural". He is the Chosen One who brought balance to the Force. He is a Sith when he brings balance. The prophecy holds true no matter what, because in either case, Anakin is created by the "midichlorians". Except of course, that the Jedi mistakenly thought that the Chosen One would be a Jedi, not a Sith. So, what purpose does it really serve to leave one small detail of his birth mysterious?

By the way, I vote that Anakin was created by the Sith, but I don't know which Sith it was!

If the Sith Need to Exist through the Master and Apprentice relationship, then wouldn't it make sense that IF Palp did create Anakin, that as soon as he saw that Anakin was going to be (as George Lucas puts it on the ANH DVD Commentary) a "Shadow of his former self", then why would he not begin anew what he had previously done (create a child with a very high midiclorian count), and plant a seed somewhere else in the Universe, follow it, guide it, and then Turn it, to the Darkside.

This had puzzled me too. But GL has stated that though gravely disappointed in Anakin's state post-Mustafar, Palpatine turned it to his advantage, as he had done every adverse event in the PT. Now he would have a docile servant who would do his every bidding, instead of a super-powerful apprentice who would be chomping at the bits to dethrone him.

 

Dark Lady Mara
Date Posted: 5/30 11:06pm Subject: RE: Did Darth

If the Sith Need to Exist through the Master and Apprentice relationship, then wouldn't it make sense that IF Palp did create Anakin, that as soon as he saw that Anakin was going to be (as George Lucas puts it on the ANH DVD Commentary) a "Shadow of his former self", then why would he not begin anew what he had previously done (create a child with a very high midiclorian count), and plant a seed somewhere else in the Universe, follow it, guide it, and then Turn it, to the Darkside.

Because that would have taken another twenty years, for one thing. The other point is Palpatine's main goal had already been accomplished, with the majority of the Jedi either dead or in hiding. The cleanup work left after RotS was child's play compared to what happened in the film, and Vader could presumably take care of it easily enough.

That's right! it WOULD have taken twenty years.

20 years for Anakin, and 20 years for Anakin 2.0.

The point is that The Sith NEED a Master/Apprentice Relationship to Survive, and to not have that type of relationship = "Death for the Sith" (catchy title huh!?).

So, i will ask again. Why would Palp NOT create another Entity that is akin to Anakin, follow him, guide him, support him, and eventually TURN him, so that the "Way of the Sith will continue?

Do NOT tell me that Palp is content. That is a cop out answer.

 

it believe that maybe palpatine had a intention of changing anakin to the dark side the hole time. As palp clearly states in ep3, he believes that your need to study both sides of the force, as he apperently did, to fully grasp the true potential of the force. I could be that he wanted Anakin to study the light side and the dark side to give him a broader view of the force. So i believe that wether or not palp did create anakin, his intention was to let him be trained as a jedi first.

 

Dont you people see its all part of the Siths 1000 year plan? I mean this is how the timeline transpired:

- Darth Playgeus is the most powerful Sith EVER. He can Create life from empowering medichlorians.

- Darth Playgeus takes on Sideous as an apprentice

- Playgeus using the force 'sees into the future' knowing that he can use his powers to create the 'chosen one' using his incredible powers

- Playgeus, using the force creates Anakin using Medichlorians within Shmi and then releases the 'Prophecy' upon the world

- Sideous jealous of this power his master has and knowing the plan to create 'The chosen one' plans to take the chosen one as his own student, and plans to kill his master.

- Sideous murders Playgeus in his sleep

- Anakin is born and thus begins Sideous plan to utilize the republic in his multi-decade plan.

- Playgeus puts on a show for Anakin to convert him to the darkside and succesdully does so- using the prophecy and his former masters grand scheme as his own

- Sideous gains complete dominion over the Empire

- Even Sids is fooled by his masters prophecy and misinterprets it thinkning Anakin is the chosen one, when in fact it is his son Luke

- Anakin overthrows his master and thus Luke the real 'chosen one' achieves balance in the force.

YES THIS IS TRUE. ANAKIN WAS CREATED BY PLAYGEUS. COMMENTS?

 

Playgeus puts on a show for Anakin to convert him to the darkside and succesdully does so- using the prophecy and his former masters grand scheme as his own ? ? ? ? HUH

Playgeus IS DEAD


ANAKIN IS THE CHOSEN ONE

LUKE JUST HELPED

DOWN WITH O5ers GO BY LUCAS'S WORD'S ON THE STORY ASPECT

 

DOWN WITH O5ers GO BY LUCAS'S WORD'S ON THE STORY ASPECT

I find that the only reason people insult others is because they feel threatened themselves and are usually loosing an argument; therefore, they make it personal like you have taking shots at a group of people that you dont even know.

YOU ARE IGNORANT.

 

after reading the book, the possiblility that Plagueis created anakin seems much more likely. after revealing himself, palpatine says something like, "do you think the sith did not know about the prophecy" this would mean they would find as much as possible about it and try to turn the chosen one. palpatine also says Plagueis could "directly influence the midi-chlorians to create life". Since anakin was supposedly created by midi-chlorians it seems quite possible that plagueis created him.

 

after reading the book, the possiblility that Plagueis created anakin seems much more likely. after revealing himself, palpatine says something like, "do you think the sith did not know about the prophecy" this would mean they would find as much as possible about it and try to turn the chosen one. palpatine also says Plagueis could "directly influence the midi-chlorians to create life". Since anakin was supposedly created by midi-chlorians it seems quite possible that plagueis created him.

Finally, another EDUCATED opinion on this matter! If more people actually read the book and fully investigated this matter, it would become more clear that Playgeus is behind the entire thing.

Keep in mind that perhaps the reason that GL PUPOPSELY kept this ambiguous is because it leaves it open for another prequal series. How amazing would that be to see the time when Playgeus secretly terrorized the galaxy and created Anakin? I mean it must have happened only 10 years before episode one.....

 

lucas confirms he is leaving this up to the audience in the new rolling stone interview. check it out....
to me the fact he mentions it as being a possibility is interesting.

 

lucas confirms he is leaving this up to the audience in the new rolling stone interview. check it out....
to me the fact he mentions it as being a possibility is interesting.


Of course he mentions it! It TRUE! He just wants to leave us guessing about it though! Think about it...there are just FAR too many coincidences for it NOT to be true/

 

No. The idea of Palp or Palp's old master creating Anakin is appealing but it doesn't fit with the presence of Darth Maul and Darth Tyrunus(aka Dooku).

Sideous seems to be an opportunist, who gives himself options in seducing his next apprentice. It seems that there are points in time when Dooku, Anakin and Qui-Gon are on deck but not fully evil yet. There's sort of a midle ground between the Jedi and the Sith where a few straglers reside.

 

No. The idea of Palp or Palp's old master creating Anakin is appealing but it doesn't fit with the presence of Darth Maul and Darth Tyrunus(aka Dooku).

Sideous seems to be an opportunist, who gives himself options in seducing his next apprentice. It seems that there are points in time when Dooku, Anakin and Qui-Gon are on deck but not fully evil yet. There's sort of a midle ground between the Jedi and the Sith where a few straglers reside.


I couldnt disagree with your opinion more. Especially the point about Qui-gon being on deck for becoming evil. Nothing about Qui-gon is evil, nor is he even a possibility to convert to the darkside.

I think you should read some of the posts before yours before you offer up an opinion like this one.