Extremely technical aspects of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel

Love it or hate it?

I personally think Buffy is one of the most innovative show on TV in years (Sinec Twin Peaks)

This season, contrary to most people, I thought Angel was heads above Buffy.

anyone else?

 

Not to burst your bubble, but unless there's some deeper meaning behind your topic, it's going to get shunted to the JCC. (And there are already Buffy and Angel discussion threads there.)

Now, if you want to get into talks of some of the technical aspects of the show (set design, make-up, etc.), its use of religion and the occult, or some metaphysical/mystic discussion (i.e. the Season 5 "Death is my gift" revelation), then more power to you. I'll gladly participate.


EDIT: Heh...I didn't mean you had to change the title like that.

 

I've actually got a topic for discussion, but I don't have the time right now to write it all out. I'll post it later this evening.

 

Here's something to discuss: How far is too far in terms of what we see on Buffy? This season especially, we saw much more than on other network shows. Buffy and Spike's affair, Willow's skinning of Warren, etc.

Personally, I don't have a huge problem with these scenes, but I was surprised that they got by the censors.

So are the producers crossing the line in the amount of sex and violence we've seen on the show recently?

 

I hope they push the envelope even further, but ONLY if it furthers the story. Nothing is worse that gratitous sex aand violence. HBO's Oz goes well beyond good tast each and every week but it is always in furtherance of the plot.

 

LOL, what's the problem with WWF Smackdown? Do we see people writhing around together making out? Do we see young ladies getting a whooping by big scary monsters and vampires? Do we see humanoids getting stabbed and turning to dust? NO! Buffy and many other shows are way, way worse than Smackdown. At least as far as I can see.

 

Ha! I knew my logic would prove too difficult to question.

 

Hey, I want a straight answer!

 

Well since the current incarnation of this thread seems to have fizzled mind if I ask another question ?

No, Ok.

Why is it that Buffy and Angel are constatly snubbed? Is the material they deal with or their target audience? It seems to me at least the you are constantly hearing critical aclaim for BtVS and Angel. Its not just Firefly comercials either TV guide as well as many other TV critics say that year in and year out these shows(BtVS in particular) have some of the best writting on TV. What have we gotten so far though? A handful of nominations mostly for technical aspects (and one for music IIRC).

So what do you think? Over looked or over rated ?

 

I enjoyed the season of Buffy where the mayor of the town turned into a big snake at the end. Apart from that, it is rehashed, too clever for its own campness with its tongue too far up its butt cheek and too repetitive to warrant my attention.

 

I think Buffy gets snubbed at the Emmys and other awards ceremonies is because the peoplein charge can't imagine how a show called "Buffy, The Vampire Slayer" could be any good.
But Buffy is good and it deals with real issues that teens and young adults go through. There was an interview with Joss whendon regarding teh second season and he said one of the themes was "I slept with him and he turned bad!" whic is a sediment that I hav heard more than a few teen girls say. The show just dealt with it by turning Angel back into Angelus which I though showed that theme better than any jerk character could do...he turned evil incarnate.
Add that to all the other topics they have dealt with: sacrifice for a greater cause, rape, friendship, death, breaking stereotypes, love, the effect of science on the world...you have an amazing show. Granted it doesn't take itself seriously, but that's part of its charm

 

I just can't understand how every year around award time when BtVS comes up short you read soooo many critics questioning how it happens.

 

I think Buffy and Angel are great shows. The episode where Buffy's mom dies was incredible. I still cry everytime I see it. I really felt for the characters, I could feel their pain. I think that was one of the best moments of drama on TV. I'm going to be 30 in a little over a month and I can still relate to the characters. They are going though what I went though as a teenager and young adult. I wish there was shows like this when I was growing, I might of felt better about myself.

As for last season with the more adult themes, I didn't mind, the characters are getting older. It was a much darker season and could relate that too the darker times in my life. I'm looking forward to how Spike deals with having a soul...Buffy enjoying life again... I'm going t be sad when the show ends.

 

Where is the technical discussion, here?

 

I prefer Angel to Buffy, just slightly though. I love them both.

And yeah I'd have to say I've seen a lot worse things on Buffy/Angel then anything WWF has ever rolled out at me.

 

The best episode was Season 2 finale...

Buffy is probably snubbed because a lot of the voters aren't within the target audience.

 

But is Spike going to be a Vampire with a soul like Angel or was he returned to his human form, soul and all? He did ask to be "like he was before".

 

When it comes to being pretentious, the Oscars have got nothing on the Emmys.

 

But Buffy is good and it deals with real issues that teens and young adults go through.

It deos it in such a smart manner. If you look at the series symbolically, the demons could be attributed to kids in school that you hate; the encounters that a young person has to put up with everyday in school is energized in this blown-out form of vampires and demons. Energy is used to destroy the evil, rather than destroy your friend. It's an excellent show. It has friendship, explores issues of life and death, consequences, and it is hip/"cool" too.