Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

It's possible that the Eclipse-class Star Dreadnought is unfinished by the time of Endor, with the Executor-class Star Dreadnought Eclipse serving the role of the Emperor's flagship until the Eclipse is finished. Much like how the name Iron Fist got reused over and over by Zsinji in Legends.

 

Or it's possible that there's just no Eclipse-class and we get to have more than one semi-standardized SSD instead of a new special snowflake SSD for every villain.
On that subject, while I love both the Mandator IV and Supremacy designs, introducing TWO super star destroyers in the wake of the bigger-than-ISD Resurgences from TFA in one movie is rather too much, they should have at least established one or the other in a previous piece of content.

 

The Supremacy is really closer to another Death Star than a SSD, narratively.

 

In a way, the Mandator is more like a mobile Golan platform in canon.


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Was never really a fan of the 'bigger is better' philosophy of the Empire/Emperor. The Executor is really the biggest they should have gone with a starship....and even then in limited numbers. the 12-13 is a good number... but I could also see plans to have one Executor-class ship for each Oversector. Things line the Eclipse or Sovereign class..and this new one in TLJ just require too much in material and manpower.

 

The Supremacy makes sense if you consider it not as a superweapon but as a mobile fully-functional politico-industrial apparatus. Like imagine if the English converted the entire island of Great Britain into a ship so they could sail anywhere around the world to keep tabs on their colonies and gain new ones.

 

Impressive, most impressive.

 

Good time to bust out with this again:



And yeah, I hope some of the tie in materials explain where the heck do they get the resources, especially manpower, to create and crew these things, all while being kept secret from the Republic.

 

The Eclipse I is smaller than an Executor. So is the Sovereign. If you exclude the Axial Superlasers on both, they're weaker in firepower too.

Anyway to me all the FO designs are very goofy-looking. I can't really find one that appeals to me. I much prefer the Imperial (and rebel) designs in Rogue One, though my favourite ship of the new canon just has to be that NR-refitted Raider Corvette, the Corvus.

 

To be fair, while the Sovereign and Eclipse aren't as long as the Executor, they are about two and three times the volume respectively. They would probably have far more turbolasers if they didn't have a superlaser too.

I agree with you about the rest though. Both versions of the Corvus are great.

 

Since the Republic’s Executor wasn’t at the Hosian system, would it be able to go toe-to-toe with the Supremacy? Or at least hold out with some sort of escort?


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Since the Republic’s Executor wasn’t at the Hosian system, would it be able to go toe-to-toe with the Supremacy? Or at least hold out with some sort of escort?


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At this point we really have no idea what the Supremacy's combat capabilities actually are, do we?

(That said, there's absolutely no reason to think it's even still around, even just in Watsonian terms).

 

I liked the Eclipse's design, especially as a personal ship for the Emperor. As galactic ruler, he had to have his own personal dreadnought class, not like his command ship was going to be just another Executor. Though Legends also had another Executor hidden on Coruscant probably as just an escape vessel for the Emperor too. And I liked the Eclipse wasn't simply an even larger Executor but was actually a bit shorter and instead more massive.

Given how most of the new material has the New Republic disarming after the war, I doubt they would have kept a captured Executor around. Right now there's not really anything to say whether it would have been in the Hosnian system or not. Though even a dreadnought wouldn't do much against the Supremacy (which is closer to the Death Star than anything else). Though that depends on how fast the Supremacy is at sublight too.

The Resurgent design is ok, but I still prefer the Pellaeon-class. Although the ugly Resurgent fits with the First Order being Imperial fanatics. And at least Rogue One had a new TIE design, compared to the lazy sequel starfighter designs. At least there'll be that new ship (from that scene with the red smoke) but not sure I like its design so far either.

The Aftermath trilogy referenced the fates of most of the Super Star Destroyers after Endor. Personally I wish there was a source saying the New Republic dealt with that pirated one, but that's probably low on their storytelling list. Or maybe the captured SSDs were recycled for the Starhawks, but that still seems a waste of time. Imagine if they had thrown a captured SSD at the Ravager over Jakku, but we can't possibly have the Rebels, er, New Republic using Star Destroyers on screen, that goes against the OT, and most newer material lacks the imagination to go above and beyond the OT setting. Its probably way too much to ever hope for something like the Legends Republic-class or Defender-class Star Destroyer (much less the Nebula-class) to show up in new canon.

 

SSD's are crew intensive and an example of concentrating too many resources and personnel in one vessel. The New Republic wouldn't have wanted to put the effort into fielding three SSD's when the same amount of resources could field a much larger number of standard capital ships which provide greater utility. Hence why they focused on upgunning their navy with 3KM Raddus-type cruisers and Starhawk battleships. These new vessels supplemented larger numbers of MC80's and served the New Republic well at Jakku.

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So...Hi, new guy here. I have to ask, while we're on the topic of EU....You guys think the Raddus will be used as a template for Viscount Star Defenders? Or better yet, the MCs have been secretly building them away from the eyes of the New Republic? It'd make sense to me, the Viscount prototype was 3km long in the EU and the Raddus LOOKS like one, just shorter. Also it's supposed to be less crew intensive which was what the Viscounts were supposed to specialize in in the EU as well.

Let's face it:

1. Why not? If we get TIE Defenders, Interdictors and Thrawn?

2. Resurgent Star Destroyers were supposedly built to dominate in ship-to-ship fights, I'm pretty sure the Raddus would get torn up pretty bad facing down one, regardless of being slightly longer or whatever meager upgrades the Resistance made to it. The good guys need an edge and with the NR fleet destroyed they need to make a difference of some kind against the FO fleet. Against Resurgents, FO Dreadnought(s) and the Supremacy, hell they could even have FO SSDs somewhere; the Resistance/NR is gonna need to invest in serious firepower.

3. I like to think the Mon Cal are the smartest of the bunch of good guys, providing capital ships (Ackbar) and opting to fight when others are too pacifistic or cowardly to do so. (Raddus) Seriously, that RO council scene disgusted me, it was that rank inefficiency and inaction that brought about the Empire in the first place. Can't even look at Mothma anymore without wanting to spit.

4.

Spoiler

IX is supposed to be the 'war to end all wars.' The Resistance seemingly loses its fleet in this movie if the Raddus getting torn up by Kylo Ren and seeing around a dozen Raddus-themed escape pods getting trick-shot by the Supremacy, is any indication. The good guys need a fleet to give a decisive space battle in the finale or prominent capital ships. Granted Boyega might've exaggerated but, if they want to give that movie a feel, there probably, no, NEEDS to be a timeskip. I digress...

Thoughts?

 

Double Post. Sorry.

 

It's the Raddus

 

I think your #4 should have been in a spoiler.

 

Are there any references in the new canon for KDY having shipyards outside of the Kuat system? Technically could mean that is the output of just the Kuat system, but as you say there definitely other manufacturers, as well of other classes of larger ships out there.

 

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It's starting to look like TLJ will create an in-universe "join us or die" vibe for former member worlds of the NR.

 

Spoiler

What is this from?

 

Star Wars insider #177


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For all the fans of the NR refitted Corvus out here, an environment artist at EA has postedTHIS.
(Spoiler tagged for size)

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Another friendly reminder- no TLJ plot spoilers or speculation is allowed in this thread. As always, we can discuss the ships themselves, but not in the context of how they may effect the main plot. This thread is given a bit of leeway, but we must walk this fine line or else we will be forced to remove this privilege.

--Adm. Nick

 

So I can’t mention the reveal that Snoke was the A-Wing that crashed into the Executor in RotJ?


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