FoxNews-Telling lies?

Cyprus,

You said:

How is killing a baby that's basically a vegetable any different than pulling the plug on a man that just got in a car accident and is now a vegetable?

My response:

I was in a coma on total life support for 5 days. I had no reflex response to pain stimulation. They thought I was a vegetable. 3 days later, I woke up. They were just preparing to pull the plug. They had the insurance company there for preparing the final paperwork. So personally, I don't think being a "vegetable" is enough reason to kill a person.

ALSO, and I think this will help you understand such positions, I also don't believe in the death penalty because:

1. The person could be found innocent of the crime, 10 years later, and if they're dead, it's too late.
2. A person can recover from debilitating illness. A person can recover from a supposed state of "vegetable". Such recoveries do more to advance medicine and science. If you kill them, that's it.

PELLY WELLY,

I noticed he mentioned the islamic population explosion there, as well. Is your government honestly considering closing its borders ? Just curious. I had written a paper on this subject at one point, I wondered what their response would be when the assimilation didn't happen quite the way they hoped.

 

Wow...you just spent a huge post highlighting how this was an opinion piece!

I spent a huge post showing in which ways the conclusions the author made were completly wrong.

Too bad that was never in question...

Gee, you think so?

Maybe FoxNews should try to pass pieces like this off as hard news, like the NYT and CNN do...Maybe that is why you thought it was hard news, that's how you are used to seeing it presented... Hmmmmmm....

Actually, I don't read the CNN or the NYT websites, so I wouldn't know. Neither did I think it was hard news, I treated it like I would treat any post on a messageboard like this.

 

Fox News + fair and balanced = coughBScough uh huh

 

Actually, I don't read the CNN or the NYT websites, so I wouldn't know.

Where do you get your news? Lemme guess, The Guardian...

 

How about from your mom

 

How about from your mom

Hey!!! Leave her out of this!!!!!

I love my mom!!!

And you can to for just $19.99!

 

This isn't so much fox news lying - but spinning in the worst possible light, in the most biased way possible. More worrying than this is it fits into Fox's increasingly xenophobic opinion pieces, (from what I gather from its web-site). This kind of whipping up of jingoistic tripe is, sadly, the sort of thing that 'Murdoch' tabloids specialise in. Its also deeply foolish and short sighted. But hey, who cares if the $ roll on in...

I don't necesarily agree with euthanasia, but to make some comparison with Nazi policy in absurd, and utterly repelent. This is especially ironic for Fox would be the one's screaming loudest if there was a European newscaster making a similar comparison (e.g. the whole BUSH = HITLER thing of last year).

 

"And you can to for just $19.99!"

pppfffffttssshhhhwwwwoooooooshhhhhh [soda flying out of my nose] thanks for the laugh and the mess.

 

Fox News + fair and balanced = coughBScough uh huh

I take issue with this ShaddowHunter. If it weren't for Fox News I wouldn't have the last line of my signature. Fox News delivers wonderful entertainment value.

 

Fox News is a well oiled machine of blending together factual news and conservatively- biased opinions. I have to give them credit though, as Fox has managed to effectively do this by reporting ?fair and balanced? news and then telling people what to make of it through opinion. For example, we see a minute of actual news, and then 30 minutes of someone like Bill O?Reilly. So in essence Fox has presented the news truthfully, but in reality they are twisting it around with their primetime lineup to meet their own agenda, part of which is clear in that article and I?m sure they have figured out ways to apply their news/opinion process to print on their website as well.

From this article we can see that ?Europe is bad? and ?America is good? because europeans like to go around killing babies. Fox News wants to enforce the idea (as well as win over others) that Americaa is being taken over by some type of European ultra-liberal agenda and that we will soon be a society full of gay baby killers. They will use any chance they can get to take shots at something negative that happens in a European nation.

 

Fluke,

I see prejudice for a particular political slant on every news channel. I have yet to find one that is unbiased. For example, CNN ran a spot about christianity, specifically fundamentalism. They approached the subject sort of clinically, as if they were looking at some primitive religious practice that was odd and foreign to america. I found it rather disturbing.

 

OMG!!!! Fox News SUXORS ITS BIAZZEDDD!!!!

Have you actually watched a day of Fox News broadcasting?

6:00 Am ? Fox and Friends First ? Basically a Morning News Talk Show
7:00 Am ? Fox & Friends ? Same thing, just a bit later
9:00 Am ? Fox News Live ? Basic News Casting, some opinion, mostly reporting
1:00 Pm ? Dayside With Lynda Vester ? Usually Social Topics, Audience Oriented, maybe leftist, not sure
2:00 PM ? Fox News Live ? Same as Before
3:00 PM ? Studio B with Shepard Smith ? News and snack Foods
4:00 PM ? Your World with Niel Cavuto ? Economics Show, Cavuto is Conservative and opines at the end
5:00 PM ? The Big Story with John Gibson ? Usually 1 on 1 talks about the News ? A bit Right Wing, opines at the end
6:00 PM ? Special Report with Brit Hume ? Round Table Discussion, pretty well balanced
7:00 PM ? Fox Report with Shepard Smith ? Basic News Rundown, no real opinion pieces
8:00 PM ? O`Reilly Fact ? Investigative show with a ?traditionalist? who criticizes both sides
9:00 PM ? Hannity & Colmes ? Head to Head Political Debate 1 R vs 1 D
10:00 PM ? On the Record with Greta ? Social Issues mostly, Liberal

So, you can make the case that Fox News has quite a few more Right-Wing anchors during the evening, however Cavuto and Gibson both tell you when they are opining. O`Reilly is generally called biased, but people cannot decide biased towards who, just look at his e-mail. Hannity and Colmes are your basic head to head, and Greta is an unabashed Liberal.

However, while they have divergent political views, assuming this means there is a reporting bias is an ad hominem or ad logicam fallacy.

Remember, a person may be biased, but that does not mean they are not being as objective as possible.

Besides, what is the problem with a small right-wing slant to the news? It is simply clear to understand which direction CBS, ABC, and NBC slant towards, CNN is maligned for its unabashed support of Clinton, and the print Media like the NY Times is clearly liberal and progressive.

The opinion portions of Fox News do tend towards a traditionalist, and by extension, more Right-wing view point, however their basic reporting is just about the same as every other cable channel.

Basically what I am saying is get over the fact that Fox News has taken the top spot for Cable News and simply concede that, like every other news program, the opinions of some of the commentators come up during the casting.

 

Mulaki seems to be upset but I can't tell why.

Is he contesting Malmo has had a large influx of Muslim immigrants? Sudden perhaps could be wrong but no time frame is given. Is he contesting that they are employed? Is he contesting they're angry?

The article quotes a police officer syaing that their car would be damaged if eh parked it, while it does not specifically say so I would assume he means in the parts of the town where the unemployed muslim immigrants are prevelant. Is Mulaki contesting that? All he really doe sis say he's angry because those he knows who live in Malmo disagree, one wonders if those he knows are unemployed muslim immigrants.


Is Mulaki contesting that some ambulence drivers won't go into certain parts of Malmo without a police escort?

Is he contesting 25% of Malmo's population is Muslim? Is he contesting the figures quoted by Lars Birgersson? Granted I doubt those figures are nation or even city wide but are they accurate for the areas in question?

He agree's the mosque was burned down but of course that was just neo nazis.

Were those neo nazis not swedes? Were they imported from America to burn down the Mosque?

What exactly are you complaing about other then the fact the picture painted is not a flattering one?

 

Hannity and Colmes are your basic head to head

Are you talking about HANNITY and colmes ?

Head to head? Please, learn about how the industry work. This show is a joke and is out there to make conservatives feel good about themselves by ganging up and bashing a "liberal" stand in who's sole purpose is to get beat up on TV.

Fox is a corporate media group and by definition leaning towards the right. In Foxes case it's extremely to the right and anyone who tries to defend it as 'fair and balanced' is an absolutely dope.

 

Where do you get your news? Lemme guess, The Guardian...

Funny man, funny. I get my news from "De Standaard" (Belgian newspaper, as you might not know, I'm not even Anglo-Saxon), De Knack, La Liberation and the BBC News website.

De Standaard is actually pretty moderate and center, they used to be the Christian Flemish newspaper (the motto used to be A.V.V.-V.V.K. which means Everything for Flanders, Flanders for Christ) but they dropped that about 10 years ago to appeal to everyone.

I think they actually support the VLD a lot now, VLD being our moderate right wing party (although they also have a left-wing obviously).

 

you want to bran Foxnews as a bias and untrue source of information you may wish to try harder

Please, it is a comtemptibly stupid entity, a pathetic excuse for a news service, and the bastion of lowest common denominator beliefs. The majority of people who champion FOXNews usually are the exact kind of people you don't take seriously given their obvious shortcomings, hence their defence of their insipid news network.

You want proof this network appeals to - heck, thrives off - the common ignorance? As GAP said, they define euthanasia. Because it has more than one syllable..?

A Dutch hospital is euthanizing ? killing ? newborn babies

On to the issue; clinically I don't have a problem with a decision made to euthanise infants who will not even have half-a-shot at a quality of life. However, I can understand that were I parent I can't say for sure I could make that decision. However, I support euthanasia and abortion on the grounds of personal choice, so for this matter I say if the parents decide, let them. Holland, however, is too complex a country politically to discuss without at least a solid understanding of proper - that is, NON-AMERICANISED/BASTARDISED - liberalism, and the Dutch outlook on life. Since most people's experience with the Netherlands is via Euro Trip and conjecture, this discussion is going to be fairly one-sided insofar as those who are Dutch/European/of Dutch descent will know more than those miserable creatures who rely in FOXNews for information..

E_S

 

Please, it is a comtemptibly stupid entity, a pathetic excuse for a news service, and the bastion of lowest common denominator beliefs. The majority of people who champion FOXNews usually are the exact kind of people you don't take seriously given their obvious shortcomings, hence their defence of their insipid news network.

Your elitist attitude is off the charts Ender_Sai!

Although you're correct...

 

It will always be a bit of a "is euthanasia murder or good?" discussion, I am aware of that. I'm also aware of the fact that Dutch are, uhm, shall we say, *very* liberal with some things.
I don't have a problem with people who think Fox is good. Not at all.
I do have a problem with people who base their entire opinion on a very biased (sp?) piece by Fox.
The writer is comparing euthanasia to what the nazis did. What kind of comparation is this? I don't see how this is the same...

How can anyone make up something like that?

I do see why religious people would have something against euthanasia, and I respect their opinions.

I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed to humanly kill babies who would die in a few hours, anyway. Does God want us to let these children suffer? I don't think He wants that. (if I'm wrong: no offense or anything intended..I've never as much as touched a bible)

At the moment, we have a guy from the "christian-democratic party" as a prime-minister. He allows this. He is watching this (wait..his mother won't let him...the other people from the party are watching it )
I don't know what will happen with Holland's borders. I don't think we can actually close them, since we're in the EU (therefor, open borders).
I don't mind the anti-Dutchness. I admit I don't like my country, myself.
I mind the people who now shout that Holland is the source of all evil.
Perhaps the person who wrote this should take a look at what's happening in America. But no, America is "the greatest country in the world".

People, articles like these create angry feelings towards each other. We should not base our opinions on things like this. The only way you can really judge a country, is to go there. And not only to the tourist part of Amsterdam, but to see it all.
This article is giving a completely wrong view of things. I don't think a newsnetwork should allow that. Newsnetworks are supposed to be objective. At least, they are, here...

 

I kinda like FoxNews as it tells different stories than the other news channels, who typically all say the same things. I remember back about 8 years ago or so, turning on TV to find out the difference between Clinton and his opponent, and I couldn't find out anything about his opponent that sounded any different than what the other news channels were saying. It was peat and repeat. Not very interesting, to be honest, and not terribly informative as it was typically from the same political position. Everyone could tell who they liked. Kinda obvious.

 

Perhaps Fox would like to investigate the fact that approximately 60% of newborn male babies in the United States are still put through an unbearably painful surgical procedure; that this torture is justified on the ground that they can't consciously remember it; that there is no medical benefit in this operation (quite the contrary, in fact); and that every year many boys die or are seriously wounded from complications arising from this needless practice. The Dutch, like most Europeans, know better.

In any event, that column is wholly and completely inaccurate, as others in this thread have demonstrated.

 

PellyWelly,

No sweat. Holland won't suddenly become some horrible, awful place in american eyes. More people mistrust the news and each other here, than any other nation on the planet, methinks.

 

I like Fox News, not because it is unbiased, but because the bias is obvious. I know that they lean to the right, it is clear and as such, easy to filter it out.

Unlike other news agencies who are much more subtle and as such, much harder to filter out opinions from the actual events.

I would also love to see someone who disagrees with GAP reply line by line to his long post (~ post number 23).

 

Raven responded:

"But also consider the situation I outline for the baby above: what kind of life would she have? Would a life where the only thing you feel is pain, that you're unable to understand, and you have no hope of ever leaving be a life worth living? It?s a damned if you do, damned if you don?t moral question in my opinion. Is it more inhuman to end the life of someone in terrible suffering with no hope of improvement or to allow someone to survive indefinitely in terrible suffering with no hope of improvement?"

Well, it really isn't our place to decide which lives are worth living and which are not? Again, I pose my question, would you be comfortable living in a society where the government determined that standard. I think that we have to err on the side of caution and assume that all human life is innately good, and worthwhile.

 

You want proof this network appeals to - heck, thrives off - the common ignorance? As GAP said, they define euthanasia. Because it has more than one syllable..?

Ender_Sai, you might have tried reading this thread before deciding to bash anyone who defends FOX News. FOX didn't write that article. It was a column written by a syndicated columnist who also does opinion pieces for FOX News. The op-ed writers, except when explicitly stating otherwise, are giving their own opinions, not those of FOX News.

You should direct you diatribe against the author, not the network. (The link goes to his hate mail page on his website. Some of them are quite humorous.)

Kimball Kinnison

 

Ender, there may have been another reason Thomas wrote, "A Dutch hospital is euthanizing ? killing ? newborn babies."

He may have intended to emphasize what's actually going on by juxtaposing the actual deed with the euphamism.

There is a school of thought, championed by Orwell, that believes people sell their ideas by obscuring them with euphamisms. Raising taxes becomes "repealing tax cuts." Discrimination on the basis of race becomes "affirmative action."

And if you support the legal killing of unborn humans, you're "pro-choice."


But even if I were to grant that your interpretation was correct, that Cal Thomas was defining the term for his readers/audience...

...and even if I were to ignore the obvious fact that the piece was one man's editorial and further grant your supposition that it's a "Fox News" piece instead...

...it would still be a cheap shot to say that fans and viewers have "obvious" mental shortcomings.


That cheap shot is, I think, hypocritical given how so many defend diversity of cultures and sexual behavior: what's so wrong with diversity of opinion when it comes to commenting on the news?

I also think your statement may be a symptom of outrage and impotence that your side of the aisle may be feeling as the popular culture is no longer monolithically yours.

Regardless, I think you're a better person than to take shots like that; I would like to see you rise above the lowest common denominator.