Freedom or Security?

Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith' started by Tion_Meddon, Apr 3, 2005.

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  1. ObiWan506 Former Head Admin

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    I agree. Freedom for me. Anything that happens during that is fate ... and you can't control that anyway.

    :)
  2. ArthurClavin Force Ghost

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  3. theN00_Jedi Jedi Master

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    [face_laugh] 51% of 61% of the 40% of registered voters in my country choose to give up both! that's like almost half of 20% of the population...a mandate if I've ever seen one![face_laugh] I bet the empire had low voter turn out too[face_laugh]
    ...you can tell that I'm being vauge and non-specific right?
  4. CIDLORD Jedi Knight

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    Freedom always must have a limit. Certainly I would give up some of my rights in order to obtain security. In fact, that's how society works.
  5. Tion_Meddon Jedi Master

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    It's interesting that this is now an issue for the American government...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/aliberties
  6. theN00_Jedi Jedi Master

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    as I said, in my country, a very small number of people made the descision for the whole country to give up both
  7. ArthurClavin Force Ghost

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    Oh dear, what an unfortunate mess! ;)

    AC
  8. SithHappensIII Jedi Knight

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    Well you cant enjoy freedom if you're dead....
  9. ArthurClavin Force Ghost

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  10. namnlos Jedi Knight

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    Be careful this doesn't become too political ;)
  11. Jovieve Jedi Master

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    Interesting topic, but rather simplistic 'yea or nay' expectations. It's not so simple. People can say they want freedom over a police state, but that only lasts until the bombings start, until mothers and children start getting killed at the grocery store, until planes or spaceships start falling out of the sky. Economies are disrupted, the monetary unit devalues, people lose jobs, you get hungry enough and lose your homes and suddenly a police state looks like a good idea.

    Living in a republic is hard, keeping it one is harder. Sometimes the price you pay - freedom isn't free - is going to be in blood.

    Look at the opening battle scene in RotS. As the two fighters roll down, the camera pans down and you can see the surface of Coruscant all the waaaaaaaay down. Beneath a battle? The surface is getting absolutely trashed. Imagine any city in Germany during WWII but on a world wide scale. Hundreds of miles of filled to brim high rise dwellings getting obliterated. I can't even imagine the loss of life going on on the surface of Coruscant during that battle. 9-11 cost Americans over 3000 lives. We had time to evacuate most everyone otherwise the death toll would have been in the 10s of thousands.

    Now imagine that on a daily basis for the people of the GFFA Republic...I think they think having protection is a good idea.
  12. Whizkid Jedi Master

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    Not to get off topic, but did anyone know the USA has been in a state of emergency since 1933 when FDR took over! Every president since has renewed it, even during times of peace.
  13. TheCRZA Jedi Master

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    Liberty, hands down. Security is mostly an illusion. Only elites of a sovereign
    ever really experience "security." Do impoverished and unfortunate peoples enjoy
    the rewards of "security"? Liberty, Liberty, Liberty.

    Anakin demonstrates in AOTC that he has an authoritarian streak in him
    with his "then they should be made to" comment about agreeing about what
    is best for everyone.

    We rattle our chains to show we are free.
  14. Ghost Chosen One

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    Freedom.

    We only live for so long, we should enjoy life while we can.
  15. lighteninggun Jedi Knight

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    Freedom isn't free. Never has been, never will be. Unfortunately we live in a world where there are true and real threats against this nation, and all who choose freedom as their standard. The enemy uses our freedom against us, but that's the price we pay.
  16. TheCRZA Jedi Master

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    people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"

    -Ben Franklin
  17. halfwits-r-us Jedi Youngling

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    Spoken by a true elite of society. Brilliant quote. BUt without some sort of security, anarchy would reign, and that would lead to too much calamity. Franklin writing this to convince his new society as well. I must say that by not having some semblance of secuirty, you can lose freedoms. Let's say traffic signals for example are a form of secuirty, they are accepted and agreed upon and they work to keep traffic going and to keep people more or less safe from crashing into each other. If these and the lanes were gone, then the resulting accidents from the removal of order and a secure sense of order would leave us worse off. Would I want to be free to drive down whatever side I wanted, or rather allow others to do so? No. If that makes me a fascist then so be it. So his quote is good but doesn;t apply to this trivial example.

    Here's a nice quote by Cicero (the Roman orator) in English of course

    "The fruit of too much liberty is slavery"
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