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ST George Lucas: on 'Force Awakens': It's like a "break up" ; Disney "not keen" on George involvement

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by ucdex, Dec 27, 2015.

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  1. appleseed

    appleseed Chosen One star 5

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    Who knows if he's even shooting anything or plans to. And besides, he will end up doing more interviews whenever his museum is built, if it ever happens.
     
  2. Elle-Wan

    Elle-Wan Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    exactly right
     
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  3. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The museum is happening and received the go ahead. They just have to build it. But, the Lucas museum will/is happening.
     
  4. Pfluegermeister

    Pfluegermeister Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Strictly as a film, Flash Gordon is terrible; Krull is terrible. I happen to have a soft spot for both. I'm just not blind to what they are, any more than you are to what Cloud Atlas is. Liking any of those films and NOT knowing they objectively have great flaws, however - that'd be the misstep.
     
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  5. Stoneymonster

    Stoneymonster Force Ghost star 4

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    What makes an experimental film an experiment if no one sees it? I'm serious here.
     
  6. appleseed

    appleseed Chosen One star 5

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    GL: "You just never know on these things. I did a More American Graffiti; it made ten cents. Just failed miserably."

    I would say all his SE changes qualify as him being self-critical as well. But yeah, he could do with a little more humility.

    Ironically I personally love a lot of MAG, Toad and Big John's storylines in particular are awesome to me.
     
  7. blaisedinsd

    blaisedinsd Jedi Youngling

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    I would love to know Georges unfiltered opinion of TFA.

    Yes the film has been well received. I attribute most of that to it being entertaining, fast-paced, humorous, and nostalgic.

    I am critical of it because I think it makes you turn your brain off, the plot is all over the place and it barely makes any sense when I exert maximum effort to be forgiving to it, and it seems to me to break rules such as using the darkside to read peoples minds as an interrogation technique. I think the film needs a macguffin so they came up with "a map to Luke Skywalker" which is all the info we are given initially but seems ridiculous on so many levels. The crawl says the bad guys want the map to destroy Luke while later it is revealed they don't care about finding Luke as much as preventing the good guys from finding him (Snoke makes it clear destroying the map is just as good). This all seems pretty insignificant compared to the fact that Starkiller base exists yet the illogical macguffin is given plot precedence. The movie moves from place to place because it wants to go there and the reasons given for doing so are weak. I mean Poe basically Story Warps from disappearing on Jaku to just showing up as soon as they can move the story from escape to going somewhere for a weak reason and giving his team a call (from a spy). All other Starwars movies made more logical sense than this one and I find it amazing how willingly these flaws are over looked and forgiven.

    I find it more entertaining, fast-paced, humorous, and nostalgic than the prequels but the prequels made more sense to me....they were better crafted stories while TFA is a better crafted block-buster film.
     
  8. Elle-Wan

    Elle-Wan Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    The "experimental films" he's been talking about for years are the same thing as the guy who's looking forward to writing "the great American novel" when he retires. ...or maybe Vines.
     
  9. Darth__Lobot

    Darth__Lobot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Maybe that's the experiment :)
     
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  10. Darth__Lobot

    Darth__Lobot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Have - I also love Krull even though I know it's awful :)
     
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  11. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    lol.

    The great unseen experiment!

    Drawing no crowds across the nation!

    Don't see it now!
     
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  12. TK327

    TK327 Force Ghost star 4

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    Very avant garde. It's like cinematic Schrodinger's Cat. The ultimate Sci fi from the mind of Lucas. Or maybe not.
     
  13. Pfluegermeister

    Pfluegermeister Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It'd have to be the boldest experiment in art since John Cage's 4'33...
     
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  14. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    lol.

    I made these films. They do exist. Well, they exist to me but release them to the public and poof gone. They never did exist and I'm not sure why you would think they ever did.
     
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  15. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Hahaha!

    George: "Non-filmology disallows me to not screen this film. The blank screen can be filled in by the audiences own imaginations. The soundtrack is composed of munching popcorn, squeaking shoes, and rocking chairs back and forth. It is a urban soundtrack for the masses."
     
  16. Stoneymonster

    Stoneymonster Force Ghost star 4

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    AOTC made more sense to you?
     
  17. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #2 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    As I like to say in sports arguments: meaningless stats.
     
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  18. Stoneymonster

    Stoneymonster Force Ghost star 4

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    What would be meaningful, then? Can we not draw any conclusions about anything then? Is everything purely relative?
     
  19. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Stats are more objective measurements than individual opinions. In fact, they're far more valid.
     
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  20. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #2 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    If this movie gets an Oscar then all of Lucas's criticisms of the Oscars will be vindicated.
     
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  21. Darth__Lobot

    Darth__Lobot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    With Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB I don't put a ton of validity into the actual numbers. What you can put some validity into is how the numbers for different movies compare to each other since the same measurement technique is used.
     
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  22. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #2 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    Reported for baiting.
     
  23. Darth__Lobot

    Darth__Lobot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Oh please - this is just sour grapes.
     
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  24. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If that is what is called baiting, then I can give you a whole host of yours and others posts where you state your opinion as fact repeatedly.

    So go ahead...

    okay. reported.
     
  25. EternalHero

    EternalHero Jedi Master star 3

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    Why should he release them? This thread is proof that - as he says - no one is interested. JD Salinger stopped publishing for the same reasons. He released a story in an unfinished sequence, the "fans" and critics went ape**** that it wasn't "Catcher In the Rye" 2.0, so he kept writing and stopped publishing. And what does he need to hear this for? "Interesting departure for Lucas, shows promise but it's not what I - or most moviegoers - want from the movie." Wow! That was worth sinking tons of money into distribution, doing press/promotion etc. for! Like he needs the lame feedback he'd get. I wish he'd change his mind so his actual fans can see what he makes but that's his call.
     
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