Has the Clone Wars ruined Obi Wans credibilty?

I would say that I am a fan of The Clone Wars and Clone Wars(micro series) for the most part. One thing that bothers me and I mean REALLY bothers me is the way Obi Wan was handled. This guy gets his ass handed to him over and over again. Whats worse is that bringing Darth Maul back completely robs him of one of his greatest victories. Lets see here....He cuts Maul in half and hes still alive. He fights Jango Fett on Kamino, Jango escapes. He cuts Durge in half and then blows him up, Durge is still alive. He fights Dooku numerous times, never wins. Grevious escapes over and over again, Obi Wan finally nails him in Ep. 3 (SCORE 1 for OBI) He fights Anakin and leaves him for dead, Anakin aka Darth Vader is still alive and kills him 20 years later. I know that I included some examples of the movies as well but it would just be nice to see Obi Wan actually put an enemy down for good on more than one occasion. As it is now it just seems that he fails more than he actually succeeds. I still believe that he needs to be the one to finally put Maul down once and for all. Hopefully we will get the change to see that someday.

 

At least I like the TCW Obi-Wan. TCW has made me a small Obi-Wan fan. Before I didn't like him very much because of the prequels.

 

I liked Obi Wan beforehand and I liked him even more because of TCW. We get to see more of his character. Plus I really used to want a green lightsaber...Obi Wan really made me want a blue one now! haha

 

Obi-Wan is my favourite character but TCW made me like him even more.

Obi-Wan doesn't like to kill if he can help it. He does if he is forced to. Yes, he had his Maul kill taken away from him, but he did still defeat him and I think that should be noted. And he survived three lightsaber duels with him. I'm sure that if the show hadn't been cancelled, that hopefully Obi-Wan would have got that kill back again. I liked how TCW expanded Obi-Wan's character - it showed us more of the respectable Jedi Master and it also gave us an insight into how strong a friendship he had with Anakin. He may have got beaten up (Season 4 being 'lets torture Obi-Wan' season) but a lot of that was down to plot. I don't think TCW ruined his credibility - he did have some brilliant moments. I would say his dual with Maul and Savage in Revival is probably one of the best showings he was given in TCW.

 

Well he went from being a Sith Killer to a Non Sith Killer so answer is right there

 

Nope. I love that Obi-Wan's not a warrior at heart. The ones that aren't credible in TCW for me are: Yoda and Anakin. I already didn't like them now I like them even less.

 

As hlc88 stated it, Obiwan doesn't like to kill and avoid it if he can. It shows you how much Anakin and Obiwan are so different. I don't think Clone Wars portraited him as a looser. I remember him kicking the ass of both Darth Maul and Savage Oppress, which was an impressive feat and while he doesn't kill Grievous in TCW, he still wins every fights against him. Actually, Clone Wars made me love this character, especially his love-relationship with Satine. And again, the serie shows how Anakin and Obiwan are so different. When Satine dies, Obiwan does not go into a full killing/genocide rampage. I like that contrast between those two characters. Obiwan is much wiser, calm, peaceful than Anakin who actually really seems to enjoy the war going on.

One thing that just puzzles me is the way how every Anakin/Obiwan fights versus Dooku starts each time by Obiwan getting owned, and then it's a Anakin Vs Dooku.

 

Why? Anakin and Dooku are the ones inclined to combat. Dooku is the reasoned and skilled one, Anakin is the brash, raw one that doesn't think. Obi-Wan is reasoned and skilled but disinclined. Plus, TCW is clearly just trying to fix the PTs errors and making Anakin the 'hero'. Which I think they failed at miserably.

 

Didn't he get creamed like 5 times in Season 4 alone? That was absurd.
Still steamed about the Maul thing.

 

Anakin loves war and killing. I think that's the point.

 

I like Obi-Wan less in TCW. Mostly because he seems overly sarcastic and sassy. There's a time and place for wise cracks; I don't think getting the **** beat out of you by a PO'd Sith Lord is one of them..

Lost credibility? No. I don't buy that whole "Maul being alive takes away from Obi-Wan's victory/ Knighthood" thing. He's one person I hope doesn't finish Maul.

 

Wish they didn't have Obi-Wan and Grievous meeting in the series.

 

Lets take a look at why he got creamed in Season 4. I think it is more down to plot then because he is weak.

Kidnapped - Beaten up by D'Nar, but Obi-Wan allowed it to happen to buy Anakin and Ahsoka time to disarm the bombs. This is clear from the dialogue Obi-Wan muttered. Does this still count as being creamed considering it was intentional on his part?

Slaves of the Republic - Got captured, got tortured for information. That counts.

Escape from Kadavo - He's there as a slave. Not entirely sure what he can do about his situation without endangering the other slaves so he takes it. Though he quickly got the slave collar off when he had the chance to, it wasn't a risk he could take until the Republic arrived.

Nothing really jumps out at me in the Hardeen arc apart from being beaten up by Anakin, and he is trying not to hurt him, whereas Anakin wants to kill the man who he thinks killed Obi-Wan.

Revenge - Maul and Savage creamed him twice in this episode. First time, he was caught off by Savage appearing when all Obi-Wan was expecting was Maul. Maul is after him so he is distracted by Maul and not focusing as much on defending against Savage allowing Savage to use his brute strength against Obi-Wan and disarm him. Second time, he was a prisoner with no lightsaber. Then he fought back, while still getting hurt fighting Maul, but after the vicious beating he had already received in that episode, I can see why he wasn't at full strength.

So for me, as long as you look deeper into why Season 4 was a rough season for him, there are logical reasons as to why he did get beaten up a lot and appeared weak.

The only problem with that is it slightly contradicts ROTS. In ROTS when he and Anakin are captured trying to rescue the Chancellor, Grievous clearly knows Obi-Wan, judging by the dialogue that is said, whereas Grievous does not know Anakin personally. Then when Obi-Wan is on Utapau, Grievous pulls out his 4 lightsabers and proclaims that he has been trained in the Jedi arts by Count Dooku etc... but for me, that first scene back at the start of the film, implies to me that Grievous and Obi-Wan have faced one another throughout the Clone Wars. In my mind, Lucas contradicted himself in the same film. All they need to do, is record new Grievous dialogue for the Utapau scene and it fits.

 

I can take some punishment of the characters but that season was ridiculous for him.

 

Other than being an Obi-Wan bash fic at times, brutally beating him, inflicting max misery and pain, making him subordinate to his apprentice and his apprentice's apprentice, and giving him a lover for some stupid reason, I don't think TCW has the power to ruin what was established for Obi-Wan over the course of six movies.

They sure didn't do his character justice, however.

 

No, it didn't ruin Obi-Wan's credibility, because he never was credible to begin with.

I mean, in the OT he was introduced as a "slightly" embittered old man, who talked in half-truths, meant to groom Luke to unknowingly kill his own father, then tried to convince Luke to knowingly kill his father, and even when he was called on these, he reasoned that there's no hope for Anakin anyway.
Those are the words, behavior and actions of a man whose life was nothing but failures after failures. The PT and TCW are simply showing these failures that shaped him into bitter, old Ben.

 

It's not Obi-Wan's fault that it's always his fault

 

I feel like "He's jealous! He's holding me back!" is the real gem. Kinda makes me wish I had someone in my life who was jealous and holding me back, just so I could say that to them, but gladly/sadly I do not.

I'm kinda starting to like PT Anakin now that I see his most cringe-worthy dialogue as silly, totally not serious punch-lines.

"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!"

LOL!

What a gag.

 

I don't understand how Maul surviving robs Obi-Wan of anything, he still won the duel. Just like Vader still handed Luke his butt on Cloud City, and Dooku still beat both Anakin and Obi-Wan on Geonosis, etc. Not killing a person really has nothing to do with skill level. TCW didn't ruin him for me at all; he's still just as good as he's always been, and still one of the greatest Jedi to have ever lived.

 

Someone needs to edit together all of Obi-Wan's beatdown scenes into one big pummelfest and stick it on youtube.

I'd do it if I could remember where they all were.

 

Would be a fun video though