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Lit If you had to design a non-darksider/Imperial enemy in the new canon...

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Ghost, Jan 22, 2017.

  1. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Master star 4

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    I know, that's why used "Galactic Republic" vs. "Old Republic" in my post.
     
  2. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    What about a Assassin's Creed like organisation that have decided that the ends (justice and the deterrence of crime) justify the means (terror tactics and vigilant killings of the perceived guilty); they use the Force for enhanced acrobatic stunts (like the Leap of Faith), stealth and sometime gets precognitions. When on of them get a vision they fully believe it will come true unless they change it and that if somebody has been shown as guilty in their vision the are as good as guilty.

    Inspired by: Assassin's Creed; Minority Report and WH40k's Night Lords
     
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  3. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The first thing that sprang to mind for me was The Covenant in the KoTOR comics. While not quite as extreme, they did commit murder based on Force Visions of the future, in an attempt to prevent a new Sith Lord arising.
     
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  4. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    I had not thought about them but you are right, there is resemblance. On the other hand so would I say that my idea is much more cloak and dagger/ninja then the Covenant, who was more the Man gone bad. And my idea lacks lightsabres :p

    EDIT: I admit that this idea would probably very quickly became a dark side enemy, even if they possibly did not begin as it. I was blanking out the "non-darksider" part of the thread of some reason.
     
  5. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Two ideas for our current canon EU, though the first one could have worked in the 1,000 Year Darkness of the Legends:

    Nomadic Mandalorian Horde: Jedi and Sith War. Basically, just imagine a Viking style raid, but with everything scaled up. Instead of attacking single cities, this mobile, rampaging fleet and army would fall upon a whole planet and basically wreck its political infrastructure and loot almost all it resources, even taking slaves that would populate whole cities. It's would have one leader, kind of like the traditional Lord Mandalore, but with everything played as a completely destructive and wasteful mob. They're not trying to conquer a kingdom, they're just looking to pick fights with planets and pillage the place. I'd have them mostly operating on the outskirts of the Jedi and Sith War, preying on the weak unless the Sith foot the bill for them to act as mercenaries.

    These guys would need up being defeated by a Jedi-Mandalorian Coalition lead by Tar Viszla, as part of his origin story.

    (All New!) Warlord Zsinj and the Raptors: Post-Jakku, Pre-Starkiller timeline. Basically, instead of being an Ex-Imperial duking it out for control of the Galaxy with the New Republic and Empire, this Zsinj plays up the corrupt corporate executive and crime boss angles of the character, emphasizing his deceptive and cunning nature. He's the military leader and eventual shadow dictator of the Confederacy of Corporate Systems, one of the new government's introduced by Aftermath: Empire's End, and his whole MO is about subverting neighboring unalligned worlds to the CCS without provoking the New Republic into getting involved. So he's all about the false flag operations, moles, and propaganda machine. To try and avoid echoing either the CIS or the Empire to the eyes of the Galaxy, his military appears very modest, and mixes recruited soldiers and droids in his Raptor forces, all using a seemingly humble, treaty-obeying capital ship, a slim new ship class that he still calls the "Iron Fist."

    However, all of his military's appearance is deceptive. His recruited Raptors are mostly old Imperial Supercommandos, Storm Commandos, dishonorably discharged Rebel Spec Ops, and other such hard men and women, and only about a third of the organization is admitted and visible; the rest are all undercover on neighboring worlds. And his security droids are in fact reinforced by legions more that are in hiding. And the Iron Fist? Turns out it can dock with a sister ship to form a Double Decker Super Star Destroyer that gleefully breaks treaties. And all of this comes with his new Dark Cloak tech, which can block communications as well as light. Again, he wants to avoid any kind of direct confrontation with the New Republic, so he's more of a threat to neighboring systems, and has set his sights on getting some major influence over the Independent Mandalorian State. His military is largely about squashing any uprising against his rule and quietly subverting the New Republic hegemony.

    The challenge to defeating this Zsinj is drawing him out so that you can a) destroy all his forces, and b) not give him a narrative in which he can spin an anti-New Republic power bloc.
     
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  6. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Having just completed a re-watch of Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra, what about:
    1. "Red Lotus" type of enemy... a secret society that's dedicated to overthrowing governments, believes a natural order could still arise in the absence of governments, a return to a "state of nature"
    2. "Equalist" type of enemy... non-Force users have learned how to strip someone of their Force-sensitivity through technological means, and wishes to "strip" the Force from all current and potential Force-users
    3. "Kuvira" type of enemy (what the First Order probably should have been, or what Palpatine pretended he was)... perhaps as the result of a Red Lotus enemy being successful, the galaxy is in chaos, the Republic is blamed as being too weak for allowing it to happen, so the restorers of order want a more authoritarian government, believing it's truly the only way to keep the peace
    I'm glad we have finally gotten to see an allusion to a Droid Rebellion in a new Star Wars movie, with the release of Solo.
     
  7. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I would do a species from the Unknown Regions who used a different type of drive systems/weapons than is common in the GFFA. A spacefold type of FTL rather than a hyperdive, energy weapons that have a different type of energy/damage. They have an empire on the other side of the Galaxy and have been expanding inward for millennia....next stop the Core Worlds.

    NOT THE VONG. I hate that whole bio-tech thing they did.
     
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  8. Yunzabit

    Yunzabit Jedi Master star 4

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    Definitely beings composed of pure energy.
     
  9. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Why?
     
  10. Yunzabit

    Yunzabit Jedi Master star 4

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    Its different. Also, when the NJO people were coming up with ideas that would later form the genesis of the Yuuzhan Vong, they considered energy beings.
     
  11. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    I think Maul would have inspired some fanatical followers in Crimson Dawn without dark side powers who just dig on his whole quasi-Sith philosophy.
     
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  12. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    Brethren of the Void: a great alliance of pirates and raiders, made up by gentlemen of fortune - many of them former Imperials, Rebels and Republicans who have found themselves without a master or the current situation not to their likening – and using whatever they have, can find or jack. They are barley organized but that’s enough for them to coordinate raids and lure the law to one area of space while other Brethren ships attack in now unprotected areas.
     
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  13. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I'll do it like pitching a screenplay. I'm in an elevator and have ten minutes to pitch multiple ideas.

    The Alignment

    The Alignment is an organization of ancient noble houses and wealthy families of the galaxy who take the opportunity to proceed to make a breakaway kingdom. They do this using agents situated throughout the government to establish a Neo-Feudalist society based on the early days of the Republic. They are armed by numerous hereditary megacorporations and want to create dictatorships controlled by Dukes, Kings, Queens, and Counts. The alignment would tackle Star Wars' relationship with fantasy monarchies as well as how the majority of the galaxy is disgusted with their pretensions.

    They are dangerous because they have much more advanced technology than the rest of the galaxy due to secret think tanks of kidnapped scientists they'd inherited from the Empire and kept prisoner. They have lots of dueling nobles armed with personal energy shields, light-foils, and perhaps use of genetic enhanvements. Their armies are cynical armies of mercenaries and soldiers paid by the Alignment as well as rewarded with titles as well as the exploitation of the masses.

    The Enlightened

    An organization of religious fanatics led by a mysterious leader called The Seer. The Enlightened are a massive number of alien worlds which were oppressed by the Empire but converted en masse to a religion which prophecized the end of the Empire as well as the fall of the New Republic. The Enlightened employ a vast number of Fire Knights who are stylized in cybernetics as well as armor but wield lightsabers. They don't have the Force but are tanks nevertheless. They also have a policy of kidnapping the children of its citizens and teaching them the ways of the Seer, who wields the Force. They are not as good as the Jedi but their number of bodyguards makes that up.

    Eventually, we discover the Seer is a weak old man or woman who is controlled by their corrupt council of advisors ala the Empire's original draft. They wish to establish a vast empire but not a galaxy spanning one by striking at the Republic while its weak.

    Space Vampires

    We discover the Anzati and the Screaming Citadel Queens are all the same race or part of a series of similar races that are humans possessed by disgusting parasites that are Force sensitive. They drain the life energy of sentient beings but maintain the youth of the bodies. They have been held in check by the Jedi Knights for millennium but with the fall of Luke's order as well as the Empire, they have decided to claim a dozen Sectors for themselves.

    The Anazti are able to do this due to the discovery of a bunch of ancient entombed members of their race who were as powerful as Dark Lords of the Sith. They enslave whole fleets of New Republic/First Order fleets with their powers, conver thousands of willing servants with the promises of immortality, and look to be unstoppable.

    Pretty much all the stereotypical vampire myths will be on display but life-force instead of blood.
     
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  14. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I can get behind 1 and 2....but you say Space Vampire and I immediately go to this....
    [​IMG]
     
  15. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    SPACCCCCCEEE VAMPIRES
     
  16. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    This is my favorite.

    It is, but there might be a reason why they scrapped that idea... how would it even work? I know Star Wars already stretches science, but I'm not sure how it would work. They'd either be powerless or too powerful. Unsure how fights would work, or why they'd be interested in conquering, how their culture could be imagined, etc. It's like how the Aing-Tii were described as viewing the Force as a rainbow... sounds cool in theory, but no one knew what to actually do with it, and all attempts to integrate them into the story were disappointing.
     
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  17. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    I love the Knights of Zakuul's whole deal. Bring them into canon.
     
  18. Landb

    Landb Jedi Knight star 1

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    So who would be the villains these guys need to face?
     
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  19. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    Threats of the Unknown Regions

    "The Jedi are no more”
    – The most important part of a thousand different speeches on why a return to Republic space is not just possible but profitable.

    At the twilight of the Republic many people asked themselves what the Republic or the Jedi had ever done for them; if those people could look upon the Unknown Regions they would know.

    In the Unknown Regions and Wild Spaces exists uncountable threats to peace, civilization and/or sentient life. Some originated there; other fled there, hunted by the Republic, whose citizens they once threatened. Now the Republic, and the Jedi who protected it, have fallen; and even if they did rise again so was it in a weaker form…

    [all this has already been posted in the Fanon thread over in the Fanfic forum]

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    Fedawi
    Assassins capable of changing their shape the Fedawi can grow claws, spines or wings; turn their skin into armour or fur, make poison and acids out of their body fluids or take the shape of animals or people they have met. It is unknown if the Fedawi are a species of natural shapeshifters or if they have gotten their abilities by some strange, dark ways…

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    Disciples of Kemmler
    Grave robbers, tomb raiders, necromancers, sorcerer-scientists of the darkest kind; all words that describe the Disciples of Kemmler. Once they worked their forbidden arts in the Republic’s space but that was before the Jedi together with the Republic’s forces stopped them and made the surviving Disciples escape into the Unknown Regions. That was ages ago; now, with a week Jedi order and Republic, they are making their return…

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    Fellmaggots
    Most likely biosculpted into creation by foul sorcerer-science, fellmaggots are malevolent sentients that resemble oversized, bloated grub with translucent skin and a duros face. Most fellmaggots are between three to five meters long but specimen who have been over six meter have been sighted and there are stories of fellmaggots who have been over ten meters…

    Even thou fellmaggots are highly intelligent so is it an intelligence driven by an unending hunger for power and decadence. This, combined with a general laziness and tendency to become impatient the closer they come to whatever goal they have, makes them less of a thread on a larger scale then they could be but they can still create misery and suffering to their near space and all too often get away with it too.

    * Fellmaggots have hypnotic voices, making any suggestion made by them seem more reasonable.

    * Because of their laziness, fear for their own skin and overall body shape do most fellmaggots surround themselves with minions to serve them and take all the risks. Many of them also try to be the power behind the throne or similar so somebody else became the main target for people’s anger.

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    Nidhuggr
    “The troops have begun to call them nidhuggrs after a mythological creator that nibbles at the roots of the world. A fitting name in a way, if a bit melodramatic.”
    – admiral Thrawn

    Subterranean, worm-like sentients that can be found in the underworld of many planets in the Unknown Regions. They seem to consider other sentient-species no more then animals to be used as food or as servants.
    Nidhuggr seems to lack technology but since they can be found on many worlds and often inhabit subterranean ruins not made for their bodies, so this possibly mean they either have some way to spread among the stars or somebody else have been spreading them…

    * In larger groups of nidhuggr there is usually at least one member that is trained in the Force and then usually only know one to five Force tricks, but sometime there is nidhuggri that know more.
    Among the Force abilities that nidhuggr often know are: Consume Likeness; Consume mind; Consume shape; […]

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    Dholes
    Planet parasiting conquer Worms, also called bholes and dôls. Who or what is spreading them across the stars?

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    The Crystal Consortium
    A consortium of three sentient crystal species on a genocidal crusade to cleanse the universe of non-crystal-based sentients. The three species that make up the consortium are the crustacean like Krrriek; Gurffada, sentient clouds of crystal shards and energy; and the !kk, mobile crystal plants, uplifted to sentience by cybernetics.

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    Tededd
    Tededd is a symbiot-parasite that slowly transform those infected by it. At first the infected will become physically enhanced – become stronger, faster, tougher – and feel a need to eat life energy, usually by eating the flesh and/or blood of the still living or just dead (a dead body is only good as food sources for some minutes after its death at best). It will also stop aging sometime after being infected; in time the infected’s body will became like living marble and sometime after that the marble body will become crystal like. As the tededd infected’s body transform he will become even stronger and tougher, usually they will lose some of their speed but in some cases they actually become faster.
    * Many tededd infected also develop some power more or less unique to them or have some trait highly enhanced

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    Plants that spread by turning those that eat their fruits into zombies.

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    A plague that turn its victims into non-sentient creatures only interested in spreading the plague. They are all connected through telepathy and the more of them there are at the same area, the smarter they became.

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    Missionary transorganics [like transhumanism but not just for humans] out the covert the galaxy with help of the book, the sword and the operating table. All who accept their teaching gets free upgrades (usually cybernetics), all who don’t get mind control implant or are turned in to suicide battle-borgs.

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    A species of marauding space pirates who make up for their primitive technology with savagery and brutality. A successful attack leaves non alive and even an attack that’s stopped will leave the survivors dwindling because of their high tolerance for radiation and lack of qualms using rad-weapons.

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    Parasites that gives their hosts psychic powers while slowly making them paranoid and schizophrenic.

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    Zombots - cyberneticly enhanced corpses out for more dead bodies and technology to make into zombots uncaring about life or law.
     
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  20. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    A group of socialists who use warp drive, photon torpedoes and phasers....they have come to enlighten the galaxy by pontificating on the merits of their system over all others. [face_devil]
     
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