Discussions Is Darth Plagueis the strongest Sith in Bane's Order?

Well, remember Plageuis's ultimate goal was to overthrow the Celestials or some enigmatic trascendant race that oversee the Force and get true immortality. Plagueis's story was what allowed Anakin to be seduced. In the novel though Plagueis dies we don't know about his spirit unlike other Sith Lords, of course most evidence tell us he just went to Chaos, but we have no confirmation yet.

Plagueis wanted to rule over the Force while Sidious ruled the Galaxy and Empire, with him being a power behind the throne. Sidious initially feared Plagueis survived bodily death.

So a way to present Plagueis as a villain for new episodes could be to ask the question, what if he did?

As far as I remember, Plagueis wanted himself to rule the Force and Sidious the physical. Assuming that when he died he somehow managed to reach his goal, wouldn't he have fulfilled this? I mean, assuming he just became like the Celestials guiding The Force without no one knowing it, it would be just exactly what he wanted.

After all no one says anyone, including Sidious had to know about this. It could had been better for him to Sidious think he really got rid of him so he could dedicate himself to rule the Galaxy while Plagueis guided the Force, like it was his plan. Plagueis could had been guiding things behind the scenes without anyone being wiser.... until episode VII of course.

If Plagueis was written as a villain in this saga, I think this would be the way to do it.

Or a similar villain could be the Celestials, reveal they have been manipulating the Galaxy like some chess and is time to bring them down and for the Force to oversee itself without needing some elite race masterminding.

 

A very good idea.. Plagueis somehow managed to dominate the force... this is so cool..

 

Plagueis is my favorite but not the strongest. The point of rule of two was to get progressively stronger masters. Sidious was the last true master hence he was the strongest.

 

I think that Sidious was the strongest, myself, but I don't see many others being able to surpass Bane himself, even though, like you stated, the whole point was for the order to become progressively stronger. Until we see more works about the Bane Sith, we won't know how strong the rest of them were.

 

Stronger in techniques and techical knowledgement, yes. Strongest in potential and dangerous knowledgement?

Plagueis discovered how to ascend to Celestialhood, something as far as we know no one ever in the Galaxy ever did.

 

He didn't discover how to ascend to celestial like status, bc if he did he'd be a celestial. Celestials don't get killed by a sith lord. They can't die. Plagueis had the most knowledge of creating life and midichorians but that doesn't translate to the strongest or most powerful

 

Pretty sure Celestials can die.

 

I've never seen anything suggesting otherwise. Especially one mortal

 

We've never seen a Celestial at all, but it's believed they're immortal. (Though as we've seen in various forms of fiction immortality can take many forms.)

Not sure what this silliness is about Plagueis achieving the status of the Celestials, as he was nowhere near that. Maybe he wanted to one day, but that doesn't really mean anything because he didn't. Palpatine wanted to replace everyone in his empire with a Dark Side Force User, still failed in the end.

 

Um we haven't seen anything at all. You just are assuming they are immortal? If they are immortal then why havent we seen one? Also, The Ones, who were believed to be a higher version of Celestials were not immortal. They were all killed. I don't know where you get your delusions from, Laser Brain.

 

Laser brain? That makes me sound smarter than I actually am. I like that since lasers can essentially store infinite amounts of information, forever. Now from my understanding the ones are beneath celestials, but idk. From the little information there is it seems like they are immortal. Basically they just are the fabric of the universe. Neither living or dead, they just exist.

 

Yea "laser brain" was an insult Leia used on Han...

Anyways, can you point to any evidence to back up what you said?

 

Just from reading the little on it in wookiepedia. It's my interpretation which in the end could be wrong. Just my thoughts on it

 

Also, the word "immortal" never appears once on the Wookieepedia page about the Celestials....


So where did you get these notions?

 

It's noted in FOTJ that Jacen believed no mortal mind could comprehend everything, in reference to a Celestial being capable of doing such. Opposite of mortal? Immortal.

 

This is not a rational argument in defense of the immortality of Celestials. Jacen is a Sith and liar, a manipulator. Also these are just thoughts of his, not fact. Nothing else backs up this statement. The fact remains that they were not immortal and there is no proof that they are.

 

This was Jacen's opinion before FOTJ or LOTF, so saying he's a Sith, liar, and manipulator doesn't hold up.

"The fact remains that they were not immortal" for someone who admits we've never seen them, you're very quick to go around proclaiming facts about them. That's not a fact, just an opinion based on nothing really. We've never seen them, it's been stated they were extremely powerful and immortal. Those are statements that can't be passed off as facts, and i'm certainly not attempting to, but they are part of the information that's been given on the Celestials and should be taken into account. You asked where the opinion that the Celestials are immortal came from, and I answered you. Nothing more. It can't be proven they are immortal, and it can't be disproven either. In terms of why we've never seen them, it's also been stated that they now oversee the Force and aren't in the physical realm anymore. Also not a fact, but a piece of info we've been given on them. Even then, not seeing something means absolutely nothing when you're talking about an ancient alien race.

 

Shocker a sith has a rational cohesive argument without resorting to name calling and condescendion.

 

Discovering how to do something and doing it is entirely different. Plagueis said he couldn't do it until the Great Purge (he needed to wipe out or at least heavily weaken the Light Side to do it apparently going by what he said). This is what I said he is the most dangerous in knowledgement (he had the most dangerous knowledgement) if he had actually ascended he would be plain the most powerful Sith Lord ever, period. He didn't which is why he only gets credit for his knowledgement.

 

In my opinion ; yes he is.

And also according to book cover ;

 

He was the most powerful until Sidious.

 

Darth Zannah did it to Darth Bane[/quote]

what he said.

 

According to Sith ghosts on Korriban*, Darth Sidious was killed by his apprentice and he has no right to claim the title of most powerful Sith Lord. They came to the conclusion Darth Vader is a way cooler member of their order and its a shame about the light side thing.

Aka trolls

 

If Maul makes it into the Sequel Trilogy, he will have proven himself to be the strongest in Bane's Order.​

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Or, at least the hardest to kill...​

 

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If we're just looking at that then i'd say Vader takes the spot. Dude lost all his limbs and was burned alive, yet still lived through it. Maul's got nothing on him.