lol I couldn't find this thread and suddenly, it appeared! Kinda like Spikey. I agree. Violence wise that was not needed at ALL. EW. The fingers thing grossed me out beyond all yuckiness. As for the "suggestive" other parts, I believe we have seen much more of Spike (and Buffy) in those eps from season 6. So there really wasn't a need for a warning. I am glad that Fred believes Spike is worth saving. Spikey looked teary eyed when she said that. lol...In the past, Gunn, Wes, Cordy, etc. usually needed convincing from Angel that someone evil needed to be helped, not hurt. (ie Faith in 5x5 for example.) So for Angel to be on the "let's get rid of Spike" bandwagon, it throws things off. I understand it completely though. It's not entirely Spikey's past because Angel would be SO the hypocrite to bring that into it. The whole Buffy thing is just too much for him. Add Spikey getting a soul too and saving the world...well let's just say Angel is greener than Lorne right now. again... Angel: OK, maybe I'm outta line, but this is kind of a curve ball for me. I mean, we are talking about Spike here. Buffy: It's different. He's different. He has a soul now. Angel: Oh. Well. Buffy: What? Angel: That's great. [Mutters] Everyone's got a soul now. Buffy: He'll make a difference. Angel: [Still muttering] You know, I started it. The whole having a soul. Before it was all the cool new thing. Buffy: Oh, my God. Are you 12? Angel: I'm getting the brush off for Captain Peroxide. It doesn't necessarily bring out the champion in me. I have to say I LOVED the talk between Angel and Spikey. The I liked your poetry!! OMG! You like Barry Manilow! I couldn't stop laughing! Very good. The whole this is hell(at the very end)thing was good too. And Angel talking about having been there. Some of my favorite stuff is when they show or talk about the pasts of Angel & Spikey. I love that this is now a big issue between them again. Angel making fun of Spikey for always talking, Spikey making fun of Angel (as usual) for the whole SEXY brooding thing(though I WISH Joss would go back to a more brooding Angel)... Ah...reminds me of the Good Old Days of Buffy. Only Spikey isn't evil anymore and things are NOT so black and white for Angel now. That's gotta suck. (yes, pun intended as well). Also I have been watching the TNT reruns and I can't believe how much I LOVE this show now. Yes, some of it is the void of Buffy (sniff, sniff)...But still, this show is one of my absolute favorites now. Oh how I miss the stuffy Wes from first season. sigh. Yesterday was 5x5. I adore that episode. Faith is a goddess. She rules all. I just think the high pitchy sobs was a little much. She seems like she would be more of a silent crier. When she starts that Kill Me Please thing...it worked until she was sounding way too girly. I know the point is a breakdown, etc. But it didn't seem right to me. The scene was a tad off. But excellent ep I gotta say. Poor watchers. They always seem to get tortured.