My Views on God

even though i am opposed to organized religion i still do not believe that religion is the cause of most wars. war would still exist in a religion free society. the collective thought process of a religous group is very similar to a tribal or national way of thinking. Homo Sapiens Sapiens is hardwired to fight against his enemies in the name of his tribesmates. This is because of the need to eliminate rivals for procreating and to ensure the ability of his offspring to succeed. This will continue with or without religion until the day we realize or connection with our mammalian roots. Religion may cause problems, but it is not the only reason why mankind wages war upon his brother.

 

Yes, I suppose you are right. But religion is one of the biggest reasons that people want to fight one another. Becuase you know 'my god can beat up your god'

 

Larkonna- My way of belief is not depressing at all. I find joy in so many different things in life. Im alive on this planet once and I will enjoy it while i am here. I still realize that life is meanignless, but that doesnt affect my happiness. I know my desires and wants and I am happy when i get them, however at the same time i realize that they really do not mean anything more than the desire of an ant to protect his queen. Everything is relative. I dont know if i am explainig this correctly, but the fact that life is meaningless does not mean that one should be unhappy. For example, right now i am listening to Prince Igor and drinking a glass of Becherovka(a fine Czech Spirit), and that to me is bliss. Despite the fact that life is meaningless, your perception determines your reality and my perception is the enjoyment of what i am doing. No need to be depressed because life is meaningless

 

If there's no purpose in life, then why live, why are we here? I'd feel so incredibly insignificant and void. I mean why strive for anything much less excellence? Why love? Why eat? Why drive? Why think? Why want a comfortable or joyful lifestyle?

Why do we exist? Because. That's why. I don't see why everything has a reason and purpose. We should only try the best at being who we are.

 

Religion is not the cause... it is the instrument... the instrument of the greedy who cause wars for their own personal benefit.

Wars don't always benefit someone... often they backfire... but the intent is still there. Religion is a tool used to divide the masses so that the greedy may conquer and rule...

 

Here's a rundown of the basic sins:


Pride-Thinking "I'm better than you".

Greed-Keeping too much money for yourself, and not sharing it with others.

Idolatry-Worshipping other Gods, or putting things or people in a place of worship. Also, worshipping images of God or Christ can also be considered Idolatry.

Envy-Wanting to have what other people have.

Lust-Not keeping pleasures, or desires under control. This mainly can be attributed to sexual nature.

Fornication-Sex with somebody not in a marriage agreement. Adultery is a form of this.

Worldliness-being too conformed to the world's opinions and ways, and not those of your faith.

Stealing-Taking other's possessions without asking or paying for them.

Dishonor-Not respecting your parents or dignitaries. Although there can be an exception if your beliefs differ from them.

Gluttony-Pretty much the same as lust, but more attributed to food. Being drunk can also fit under this.

Sloth-Being lazy.

 

I can think of nothing more inspiring than the immensity of the Universe, whether by accident or design.

 

Also heresy is considered a sin. Basically adding doctrines to a belief that shouldn't be there. The Gnostics, for instance, were among the early heretics. The Catholic church also attacked many 'heritics' hundreds of years ago. Today, many Catholics, Islams and Mormons are considered to have heretical beliefs by fundamentalist/protestant standards, but you probably wouldn't say that to them face-to-face.

 

Seems that Christians never stop spreading the same
tired old myths and legends....!

They would have us believe that there is plenty of
'historical' evidence to prove that their Jesus Christ
was a real person who walked the face of the Earth.

Let's look at the facts:

X'ians have laid claim to the mention of Jesus in
Josephus' "The Antiquities of the Jews" ( 93 a.d.,
XVIII 3,3 63-64), as evidence (of the extra-Biblical
sort) for Jesus' existence. Nothing could be more
erroneous than reliance on such discredited and
flimsy evidence.

In the first place, the mention of Jesus is found in
what is known as the "Testimonium Flavianum
Passage", a clear and obvious interpolation into
Josephus' narrative.

The Passage appearance, in the midst of a story of
misfortunes during a Jewish uprising, totally breaks
the continuity of the story....which then picks up
with the account of how Tiberius expels the Jews
from Rome!

The Passage is NOT found in the earliest copies of
"Antiquities...", and is first 'discovered' by Eusebius
around 300 a.d.. The fact that Eusibius is considered
by some to be "...the first thoroughly dishonest
historian of antiquity.", with "...many falsifications,
suppressions, and fictions which have been proved in
his work..."(Jakob Burkhardt, Leben Konstantins,
1860, pp.307, 335, 347.) should suggest the real
source of the "T.F.P".

Canon Farrar ("Life of Christ", vol. 1, pp.63) points
out that the "Single passage in which Josephus
alludes to (Jesus) is interpolated, if not wholly
spurious.". The Passage has been thoroughly
analyzed and discredited in "Chrestos" (L.
Herrmaun, 1970, Belgium).

The fact remains, there is NOTHING at all, in ALL
of recorded (extra-Biblical) history, to prove that the
Biblical Jesus Christ ever walked the face of the
earth.

Several books that reveal and conclude as much
include:

"Man and His Gods", Homer W. Smith
"The Historical Evidence For Jesus", G.A. Wells
(pp.22-23).
"The Jesus of the Early Christians" and "Did Jesus
Exist?", G.A. Wells
"Jesus: God, Man, or Myth", Herbert Cutner
"The Quest for the Historical Jesus", Albert
Schweitzer
"The Life of Jesus, Critically Examined", David
Friedrich Strauss
"Jesus Outside the Gospels", R. Joseph Hoffman

And scores of others.....

Nope, the phony-baloney (and copy-cat, god- man)
Jesus Christ went totally unrecognized by
contemporary and later historians as a real and
historical entity. In other words folks, the biblical
Jesus Christ never existed outside the myths,
legends, folk-lore, and hero-tales contained in the
Bible.

The second and third 'supposed' Josephus 'mention'
of Jesus is found in "The Jewish War". It is such an
obvious interpolation and clearly spurious late
addition that NO honest historian would accept it as
historic, legitimate, or truthful. It is not found in any
of the surviving Greek manuscripts, but only in the
(so-called) Slavonic version.

Incidentally, the 'Wonders' attributed to Jesus Christ
are"...simply LEGENDS which arose among early
Christians and which were projected backwards,
under the impact of faith, into the life of the
historical Jesus." (Thomas Sheehan, "The First
Coming").

Or as David Friedrich Strauss concluded in 1835;
"...if we would be candid with ourselves, that which
was once sacred history for the Christian bliever as,
for the enlightened portion of our contemporaries,
only FABLE".("The Life of Jesus, Critically
Examined").

But to get back to Josephus, NONE of the early
Christian fathers (all familiar with Josephus'
writings) ever refer to any mention of Jesus Christ in
Josephus' writings. These include Justin Martyr,
Photius, Cypian, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria,
Origen, and Chrysostom. Insofar as ANY
recognition of Jesus Christ by a respected Jewish
historian would have been of significant value (for
example in Justin's dialogue with Trypho the Jew, or
Origen's with Celsus), it is incredible and beyond
belief that such knowledge and evidence for the
historicity of

 

Funny how you admonish others...

 

Personally, I cannot believe in the Christian definition of God. I don't see God solely as a Father, and I don't see any creative force having human characteristics such as anger and jealousy. I can understand why ancient civilizations, some of them, could see their one god as a man, because their civilizations were male-dominated and women were not seen as equal.

 

Wingzero...What do you think about the Koran describing Jesus Christ as a real living person who is one of the prophets? That would be two separate sources acknowledging that this man did exist.

 

So Wingzero, would you like to show some historical evidence proving that Mohamed was a real person?