ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

And now we're back to the Adam and Eve parallel. As being the first of the new thing.

 

Here's an even better example from a Lucasfilm film written by George Lucas, Willow.




And after they threaten to kill the other a few times in one movie, this happened while they were still fighting on opposite sides.



Also, the way Kylo said, "I will destroy her" was not sounding convincing even to himself.
Which of course was followed by him looking like a sad puppy knelling.

 

I think this is really interesting. This was one thing that I really found fascinating about Rey's character, how she dived into the dark side when she needed something, and we also see how the light pulls at Ben and he can't resist.

 

Agreed, that is true. I also think that TLJ put more spotlight on Kylo's light too. For example, when you compare TFA and TLJ, he came off much better in TLJ. For one, he didn't hurt any beloved character while faceless Resistance escape pods, that he didn't want to order his troops to stop shooting, are no1curr. He choose not to kill his mom. He performed arguably the most epic/heroic act of ST so far which is cutting Snoke in half to save Rey, and than he was a part of the ST's most badass duo when he and Rey took out PG. He's canon remorseful about killing Han ("split your soul to the bone") and he didn't hate his father. He loves Rey but is terrible at expressing it cause he's a hot mess. He Force-b*tchslapped Hux.

So, IMO, he did really well and power grab upon Snoke's death is no big deal. Definitely not even close to killing Han in TFA which was and always will be his biggest transgression. Redshirts of any kind (villagers, Resistance, etc) are no1curr. If TLJ really wanted to make him look bad than they would have him shoot Leia, kill Luke (the Projection Luke was one big Plot Armor for Kylo not to end up killing him) and Finn would have sustained some terrible visible/crippling injury. None of these happened. he didn't want to kill his mom, Luke decided to die on his own terms far away from everyone and Finn recovered fast and without any problem. In fact, his wake up was played for slapstick comedy.

 

Exactly. Luke told her to resist it, she did not. Then she has a conversation with shirtless Kylo where he says "let the past die" and she goes right back to that dark cave for answers about herself and her past, knowing that Luke reprimanded her for going there the first time.

 

This so much.

 

I always thought the problem with the prequel Jedi is that they got too far away in practice and belief from the original Jedi philosophy. They evolved into an overly ordered religion which forget its roots and original philosophy, which was about the nature and balance of the Force.

I think Rey will likely get closer to the roots of what a Jedi was originally supposed to be with her own judgement and morality and some guidance from Force ghost Luke, etc., The old texts (which predate the prequel Jedi) and whatever other lore is out there will play a part too.

 

Oh yeah, progenitors of the New Jedi. I love that allusion. Adam and Eve. Temptation, forbidden fruit, angry God, snake reference. They even managed to get the Tree of Knowledge in there.

 

YES great points! Not to mention Cassian's actions in R1 too, starting from his first scene. I like that aspect in Rebels too, with the interactions between the Ghost crew and the Mandos and others (Saw, Mon Mothma, Bendu etc.) I do think that overall the introduction of more ambiguity and sides to all this, in the last Jedi too with Rey and Ben connecting and also in DJ's character, plus Luke's whole "thinking the Jedi have a monopoly on the force is hubris" thing and Rey's whole first session with the force means more of that in 9, hopefully.

I do fear that, depending on the time jump, they may relegate the revelation to a book or something or just not address what happened when she revealed it, & make her & the Resistance one big happy family.

Poe's route will be interesting, whether he really has learned from Holdo & Leia & restrain himself in his tactics going forward or not.

Lol, scavenger/nobody Rey and Rey Palpatine were my two favorite parentage options after TFA. Palpy mainly because of what a wild card that would've been. (I was also a fan of Snoke = Darth Plaguies the wise, heh.)

 

I got to watch Willow one of these days.

 

Well I mean they both die so why not?

 

To add to this, she dived into the darkside and didn't fear it like how Luke feared it when she went straight to the dark/and not resist in Lesson 1. I think it probably says a lot about the Jedi order and their rather extreme emphasis on the "fear" aspect of it all. I think Rey can use darkside aspects to greatly benefit her but in balance within herself. We could say her fighting method greatly pulls from the "darkside", ngl i absolutely loved her battle roar and aggressive fighting style!

 

NO1CURR LOL

Exactly, and it hit me today that Kylo refused to kill his mom, without even knowing if she hates him just something sad to think about. But you're right, he really didn't kill in TLJ as much as some other characters. His TFA crimes were briefly addressed and then move along. That's why I think he can still do some amazing, heroic acts in IX and the audience will swallow down his redemption like a glass of fine wine.

 

That is an excellent point. That was something that I believe led to the prequel Jedi “losing their way,” so to speak.

 

Let's hope you are not disappointed then.

 

Which is wonderful way to show coming of age. The young will have to disagree and break away from their elders and figure things out for themselves through trial and error. They couldn't be guided forever cause that would mean repeating the old way and that wouldn't lead to any progress. They have to move with times.

So it's perfectly reasonable, and follows coming of age steps nicely, that young Rey sided with young Ben. Young seeks young. I think that Luke figured that out at the end, that he cannot save Kylo/Ben cause someone else could. he isn't on the same wavelength with his nephew but Rey can reach him in that Ben could begin to turn back to the Light for her. And that, again, is perfect mirroring between all 3 trilogies:

Romantic love couldn't save Anakin cause it wasn't unconditional. Familial love saved Anakin cause it was unconditional.

Familial love couldn't save Ben cause it wasn't unconditional. Romantic love will save Ben cause it will be unconditional.

 

And it could be the same for Ben. He's not balanced right now, but once he finds his inner core and balance, he might find that things turn for the better.

 

Rey might end up being subjected to a "governing body" in the form of the Resistance. Having to face the PT Jedi problem there might come sooner than one might think. The Resistance IS political.

 

In all honesty, I wouldn't mind if the whole Resistance vs FO disappeared. It's always the same fight.

 

He definitely would find things turning for the better.

 

When Rey makes her new order whether that be with Kylo or not it should not be connected to a government.

 

That would be a terrible precedent for the new Jedi. From a storytelling prospective, it would be interesting if there was pressure from the Resistance (which wants to bring back the Republic) for Rey to do things a certain way she would push back on, but I have doubts the Resistance will be portrayed in that light in Ep. 9. We shall see.

I hope whatever new “Jedi order” is established, it is free from influence and pressure from any governmental entity such as the Resistance, the New, New Republic, etc.