Arena The NHL Draft: Now discussing 2000

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  1. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    *Why* would the Flyers trade draft picks?

    1 1 1 NYI JOHN TAVARES Sep 20, 1990 MISSISSAUGA, ON CA 6' 0" 195 OHL LONDON C
    1 2 2 TBL VICTOR HEDMAN Dec 18, 1990 ORNSKOLDSVIK SE 6' 6" 220 SWEDEN MODO D
    1 3 3 COL MATT DUCHENE Jan 16, 1991 HALIBURTON, ON CA 5' 11" 200 OHL BRAMPTON C
    1 4 4 ATL EVANDER KANE Aug 2, 1991 VANCOUVER, BC CA 6' 1" 176 WHL VANCOUVER C
    1 5 5 LAK BRAYDEN SCHENN Aug 22, 1991 SASKATOON, SK CA 6' 0" 198 WHL BRANDON C
    1 6 6 PHX O EKMAN-LARSSON Jul 17, 1991 KARLSKRONA SE 6' 2" 176 SWEDEN-2 LEKSAND D
    1 7 7 TOR NAZEM KADRI Oct 6, 1990 LONDON, ON CA 6' 0" 167 OHL LONDON C
    1 8 8 DAL SCOTT GLENNIE Feb 22, 1991 OAKVILLE, ON CA 6' 1" 177 WHL BRANDON RW
    1 9 9 OTT JARED COWEN Jan 25, 1991 SASKATOON, SK CA 6' 5" 220 WHL SPOKANE D
    1 10 10 EDM M PAAJARVI-SVENSSON Apr 12, 1991 NORRKOPING SE 6' 1" 201 SWEDEN TIMRA LW
    1 11 11 NSH RYAN ELLIS Jan 3, 1991 HAMILTON, ON CA 5' 9" 173 OHL WINDSOR D
    1 12 12 NYI CALVIN DE HAAN May 9, 1991 OTTAWA, ON CA 6' 0" 170 OHL OSHAWA D
    1 13 13 BUF ZACK KASSIAN Jan 24, 1991 WINDSOR, ON CA 6' 3" 210 OHL PETERBOROUGH RW
    1 14 14 FLA DMITRY KULIKOV Oct 29, 1990 LIPETSK RU 6' 1" 183 QMJHL DRUMMONDVILLE D
    1 15 15 ANA PETER HOLLAND Jan 14, 1991 TORONTO, ON CA 6' 2" 185 OHL GUELPH C
    1 16 16 MIN NICK LEDDY Mar 20, 1991 EDEN PRAIRIE, MN US 5' 11" 179 HIGH-MN EDEN PRAIRIE D
    1 17 17 STL DAVID RUNDBLAD Oct 8, 1990 LYCKSELE SE 6' 2" 189 SWEDEN SKELLEFTEA D
    1 18 18 MTL LOUIS LEBLANC Jan 26, 1991 POINTE-CLAIRE, QC CA 6' 0" 178 USHL OMAHA C
    1 19 19 NYR CHRIS KREIDER Apr 30, 1991 BOXFORD, MA US 6' 2" 201 HIGH-MA ANDOVER C
    1 20 20 NJD JACOB JOSEFSON Mar 2, 1991 STOCKHOLM SE 6' 0" 187 SWEDEN DJURGARDEN C
    1 21 21 CBJ JOHN MOORE Nov 19, 1990 CHICAGO, IL US 6' 2" 189 USHL CHICAGO D
    1 22 22 VAN JORDAN SCHROEDER Sep 29, 1990 BURNSVILLE, MN US 5' 8" 175 WCHA U OF MINNESOTA C
  2. SLR Jedi Grand Master

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    Agreed, especially given Pronger's age and that he is in the last year of a contract. However, if he can help lead them to the cup this year, it was worth it. However, given the team's goaltending woes, I am not sure that he will.

    The Flyers just continue to struggle in finding the right goaltender. They can't develop goalies in the minors and they don't have a good free agent/trade track record. This team hasn't had a good goalie since Hextall and they haven't had a great goalie since Pelle Linberg died.
  3. Dark_Jedi_Kenobi Manager Emeritus

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    Same here. I understand that they wanted to move Lupul's contract, but there has to be a better way to do it than giving up Sbisa (who was a 1st round pick) and two future first round picks! Three first round picks for Chris Pronger? I don't know what they were thinking.
  4. Boba_Fett_2001 Chosen One

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    Bob McCown said it best in his Hockey Arguments book. If the Flyers had Patrick Roy on any of their teams from the mid 90s 'til now, they would have won at least three Cups.
  5. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    A current All-Star team of players taken after the 150th pick:
    G ? Tim Thomas (1994, Quebec, 217th)
    D ? Mark Streit (2004, Montreal, 262nd)
    D ? Brian Campbell (1997, Buffalo, 156th)
    F ? Henrik Zetterberg (1999, Detroit, 210th)
    F ? Joe Pavelski (2003, San Jose, 205th)
    F ? Pavel Datsyuk (1998, Detroit, 171st)
  6. big_boss_nass Force Ghost

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    ?Our guys really liked him,? Shero said. ?We were actually looking to trade down but Simon was still available. He?s a good young defenseman, good size, good skater with a lot of upside to his game. It?s hard to get defensemen. That?s why you have to draft them. It?s good for our organization.?

    Ray Shero the Penguins GM said this about their first round draft pick Simon Despres. I am glad that the Penguins did not draft a Center like I said in a post above. We got a very big talented Offensive-Defencemen at #30. He won't be suiting up in a Penguins uniform anytime soon because he has alot to learn in terms of Hockey IQ and when to "try" and make plays and when not to.

    Also, I love that the Penguins drafted Ulf Samuelsson's son, Philip. Hopefully he'll turn out the be just as fiesty as his father.
  7. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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  8. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    Joe Sakic retired today after 20 years. They said he was chosen 15th in his year!
  9. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    The 1970 Draft

    The draft actually started in 1963, on a limited basis. I'm starting in 1970, though, because this is the notorious draft in which the Canucks lost a coin toss, and had to go second (Buffalo and Vancouver both joined the NHL that year). Having to go with Tallon hurt, but worse is that they could have had a more successful player. Leash, MacLeish, and Sittler were all better than Tallon.

    An uncharacteristic year; Montreal had two picks, and flubbed one completely (Martnyiuk never made the bigs at all, the only player not to do so) and Lefley was a journeyman. In these days, Montreal generally didn't make mistakes like that.

    Toronto usually flubbed their choices; not this time. Perrault and Sittler were the most successful first-round players in this year.
  10. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    The 1971 Draft

    1971 was the notorious draft in which Montreal traded journeymen players to a poor team to make sure that the team whose draft first over all pick they owned finished last. They wanted Guy Lafleur, who went first; Marcel Dionne went second, and was also a star. Typically, Vancouver, who picked third, did't do as well, but in the first round, only Boston and Chicago whiffed it. Murray Wilson, whom the Habs also chose, was a poor pick, but they did better in the second round and took Larry Robinson; however, their other two second round picks were whiffs. (Montreal wasn't really as good at drafting as they pretended; they just had so many draft picks, they couldn't entirely fail).
  11. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    1972 Draft

    An extremely rich draft in which the Islanders choose very well, getting good/decent choices in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th and 10th rounds. (Billy Harris, Lorne Henning, Bob Nystrom, Richard Brodeur, & Gary Howatt)

    Montreal got Steve Shutt; Philly got Bill Barber, and Vancouver, typically got a journeyman with the third choice.

    The Rangers had a very poor draft, whiffing nearly every round. (Only one of their draft choices played in the NHL, and then only four games). Boston was also poor.

  12. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    Thanks for posting these! It's always interesting to back in time and look at the drafts and where players wound up..

    I have a bunch of old OHL and CHL magazines at home from the late 80's and early 90's... Every so often i like to pull them out and look at the draft recaps for those years... So interesting!
  13. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    It's quite fascinating, yes.
  14. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    1973 is another rich draft. The Islanders got Denis Potvin; the Flames, Tom Lysiak (though they whiffed their other first round choice); Toronto got Lanny McDonald and Ian Turnbull; the Rangers got Rick Middleton. Montreal got Bob Gainey, but whiffed rounds two and three.

    Buffalo should have known better than draft a kid named Morris Titanic, for godsakes.
  15. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    The 1974 draft is interesting. Washington had the first choice and chose Greg Joly, a mistake. They had no better luck in the lower rounds.

    Montreal had four first-round choices; they whiffed two and got two journeymen with the others.

    The team with the best draft was probably NYI, who got Clark Gillies in the first round and Bryan Trottier in the second.

    Boston whiffed the first round, but got Mark Howe in the second.

    Vancouver actually managed a decent lower round pick: Harold Snepts in the 4th.
  16. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    The 1975 NHL Draft was generally very disappointing.

    The first round didn't yield a single star; and Montreal, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Washington all whiffed.

    California did chose Dennis Maruk in the second round--he did well; and in one of the most notorious choices in NHL history, LA chose Dave Taylor 210th (15th round). He would play more games in the NHL than any other player chosen this year.
  17. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    1976 Draft was another disappointment...Rick Green was a good first over all choice, and Bernie Federko was chosen 7th by St. Louis, and the rest were whiffs or journeymen.
  18. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    The 1977 Draft was another odd one. Dale McCourt and Barry Beck, the first two choices, were good enough, but there were only two durable stars in the first round: Doug Wilson (by Chicago) at 6th and Mike Bossy at 15th (by the Islanders). The Islanders also took John Tonelli in the second round, and the Habs, after choosing poorly in the first, got Rod Langway and Gordie Roberts in the 2nd and 3rd.
  19. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    The 1978 Draft was an improvement--Bobby Smith (1); Ryan Walter (2); Ken Linseman (7); and Brad Marsh (11) were all very good.

    In the second round, Vancouver got Curt Fraser, Toronto got Joel Quenville, and Buffalo got Tony McKegney.

    There were several good choices in the lower rounds, too.
  20. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    I always hear about what a great junior player McCourt was.
  21. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    Great junior players do not always = great NHL players

    The 1979 Draft was one of the best years, with highly successful choices in all six rounds, most notably Ray Bourque in the first round and Mark Messier in the third round.
  22. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    That was a deep draft, with the likes of Glenn Anderson and Dirk Graham going in the later rounds!
  23. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    There were more than six rounds in those days.
  24. yankee8255 Force Ghost

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    The thing that really sticks out so far is how well the Islanders (a team I absolutely loved) drafted, not just in the first round (eg Potvin and Bossy) but also later on to get guys like Nystrom.
  25. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes; but then it just ended, even though they had the same personnel. A large part is luck, I guess.
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