collapsing under our own weight is certainly true. It's a burn out to manage to compose essential things into sentences which actually mean things to other people. So sometimes I do monster post (above) and sometimes I'll just chat some. (like now!) Sasha, there are things here everyone does which I envy. One of these days when I have the brain watts, I'll click on McGregor's link. Until then, I'm not up for getting someone else's opinions. I'm just too tired for any "real" reading these last few days. About the LotR comparison & SW comparison. My gut feeling is that LotR is a myth about the connection of language to reality. Tolkien creates a past for the world where language does shape the world. He follows a history in which that becomes less and less true until it leads into what is the human age when language only shapes human hearts. To me that is what LotR hinges on: the moment when the world finally moves forward into the age when language doesn't shape reality. Gollum's fate seems to me to be tied up in that -- Gollum choose the language/power world, and in the end it took him. In SW I don't know what power changed in RotJ. I don't know what the big shift was. I don't know what the new balance is. I don't know what connection between human and world has changed. This kind of gets back to the Brin article from last summer -- does the transcendance of Anakin & Luke have meaning for anyone other than Anakin & Luke? I KNOW what is changing at the end of RotKing. I don't know what's changing at the end of RotJedi. What went into the pit with the Emperor? Anything? I don't know. I hope Eps. 2 & 3 tell us. Thran: Just because Tarkin could give his theory and the imperium declare it legal does not make it correct. Because life is precious, life should be preserved as possible & with the best quality feasible. Regardless of his purpose (intimidate the people of the imperium & cut down loss of lives elsewhere) Tarkin's act of ordering the death of Aldaraan was still wrong. For the crimes of people on Aldaraan there must be other recourse. Some of them could have been saved. Finally, the state does not have the right to wipe out an entire population. This is "proved" when the Imperium builds a super weapon to enforce this power which they clearly do not have. (If they had the power they wouldn't need the weapon.) No planet would give the state this authority which is why the state has to build the biggest weapon around to scare people into accepting this state of affairs. Question for you all: 1. Is Luke a prince? 2. Do you think Leia gave alot of people a kiss for luck? 3. Do you think Vader thought he balanced the force when he killed Obi Wan? 4. Would you want Yoda living in a tree in you back yard?