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how you assign blame is a different question to ask than "do you support the policy?" if as the article says, 22% of people who blame the parents also think that the administration's policy is too aggressive...you can see the difference. A minority of Americans support the president's policies.

 

To be fair, the bakery offered to sell them a cake. They refused to make a special cake for them.

That's a different thing than being shown the door without an offer of service.

EDIT: And please note that at no time did I say the owners of the restaurant didn't have the right to refuse service. I absolutely believe that they do.

 

The owner of the Red Hen pulled Sanders aside and asked her to leave after she had started eating and told her the meal was on the house. That is about the nicest refusal of service I've ever heard. This isn't dehumanizing at all. Let's pick more important things to be outraged over.

 

I saw a great comment about this refusal of service issue. Fascists draw their power from the fear of the populous of standing up to them. In that context, I actually think it’s crucially important that the public not back down on shaming them when their policy is so monstrously evil. Speaking of monstrously evil —>
http://thehill.com/latino/393856-mi...h-children-if-they-sign-voluntary-deportation

If this report is true, they’re kidnapping children and holding them for ransom to make people drop their asylum claims.

 

All that tells me is racist propaganda works. People don’t know these people’s stories. They just hear republicans and Fox News equating them with gang members. Crossing the border without papers is a misdemeanor. If anyone supports stealing people’s children and interning them over an accusation of a misdemeanor, as far as I’m concerned that’s proof enough that their perspective is warped. Americans commit DUIs at shameful rates, putting everyone else on the road, including children, in mortal danger. When 54% of America starts demanding that we intern the children of everyone accused of a DUI and no bond/bail for the accused until their trials I’ll buy that anything other than bigotry is at play here.

Meanwhile, there was a policy that had over a 90% rate of return for these parents to come back to court. It involved releasing them with their families and ankle bracelets. Heaven forbid republicans support a policy that doesn’t steal children in a mean spirited way and that works.

 

If it works, and when it works, it's mostly because it's what a lot of (white) people want to hear. If people weren't receptive, the stories wouldn't go anywhere.

 

It's a whack job opinion, sir. You're also using a crappy source. You're wrong and you should feel bad about such wrongness.

 

Huckabee Sanders is not the only one having public issues

 

It's very simple; if gays can be refused service on religious grounds, hard right populists can be refused service on political grounds. You can't have it both ways.

 

http://www.trumphotels.org/

 

People are pissed off at, sick of and ardently opposed to this administration. This is a very minor form of backlash.

It could be worse. Maybe it should be.

 

Six years on and I'm still torn about the Colorado baker's case. I mean, normally, the man should get a fine for discrimination, and that should be that. This is how it should go.
On the other hand: imagine you're a baker. And you get a request in for a beautiful wedding cake. It will take you days to make it just to spec, with the right figurines on top and everything.
And it's for Donald Trump.

 

you're worried he won't pay , right ?

 

@Lord Vivec:

 

I heavily edited my last comment...which compared ostracizing politicians to running a dictator out of the country...and suggested everyone in the government, for at least the last 15 years, should count themselves lucky they haven't been chased by a mob or lined up against a wall....but I thought maybe it was against the TOS because I was basically suggesting we start cutting off heads.

 

Agree to leave, and we’ll give you your kids back.

#MAGA.

 

This kind of blanket moral relativism is nothing but a conversation killer that is intellectually dishonest and factually incorrect. Yes this is who we are, but not because this happened under Obama. It didn’t. That’s a lie. This is a blanket policy of taking all children that cross the border and interning them in camps. That was not our policy under Obama, or Bush, or Clinton, etc. if you want to show that this is who we are, point to Japanese internment, Native American forced removals (and everything else that perpetrated that genocide), slavery. This policy belongs in the company of those comparisons, not politics as usual.

 

I think anything that criticises the tepid American "liberal" is absolutely fair game and should be encouraged.

 

Yes, yes, if we’re not rioting and shutting down cities, then we don’t really care. You remind us of this daily.

What was it you were saying about “tepid”?