PT Why was Jango Fett used to the host the clones?

Ah. Thank you. I didn't know that.

 

Also Wookieepidia is as reliable as any other wiki.

 

You posted at 11:38!

 

That inheriting the head bumping makes little sense to me. Sure, I saw that commentary once, too, but is that a genetic trait? If it is, it implies a certain lack of situational awareness that would be very highly inappropriate in a top warrior.

 

No, he didn't. Jango bumping his head was a nod, nothing more. A stormtrooper bumping his head doesn't make him a clone nor is it a trait.

 

jango is not a mando.

 

I call for a vote of no confidence on wookieepedia

 

All part of the plan

and if you post at 5:38 that means for someone its 11:38.

 

True - very true - wasn't there in the EU also that Count Dooku wanted Force-Sensitives to to be cloned yet the Kaminoans explained it was not so easily nor would the genetic template be ideal ...

I did wonder though WHY not perhaps some other candidates such as ... DURGE for starters - I mean physically he's far superior to many Star Wars characters and species - that is in pure physical stats in a sense - given in the EU he did beat up Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin in a h2h brawl where they were 'Forced' to really use the Force to level the playing field ...

Then again didn't Count Dooku in the EU later in the Siege of Saleucami he commissioned the Kajain'sa'Nikto Morgukai warriors to be cloned ...

 

because he was a great warrior. And Darth Sidious thinks wars make one great.

 

Then again - consider in the EU - Jango Fett - he ain't no ordinary human or individual - and certainly for a Mandalorian ... consider he's lost his family practically at a fairly young age, had to toughen the Mando inside him - and after Jaster Mereel took in Jango Fett as an adopted son and where he somewhat gave a pragmatic lecture to Jango Fett along the lines 'YOUR FAMILY IS DEAD BOY! YOU CAN EITHER LIVE BY JOINING US OR YOU CAN DIE!' and Jango Fett made the wise choice ... and the fact Jango Fett - if he wasn't so good on reputation and such – consider at Galidraan – practically at his wits end – given his friends and fellow Mandalorian Warriors were pretty much dead and he personally took on and killed 6 JEDI with nothing but pure skill, his own body strength, speed and armor … given that’s enough to rival Batman (well Batman doesn’t kill…by default) … or the fact Jango Fett – if he could one way or another to an extent take on Force-Users or even kill them – and had it not been for the Reek and the bad case of ‘jet-lag’ on his rocket-missile back-pack who knows what he could or would have done in the Clone Wars eh? Though I’d wonder if he’d also top out more than Cad Bane or the fact Jango Fett surely would have done nicely in The Box J

 

Darth Tyranus was instructed by Sidious to find the most able bodied warrior, and Tyranus decided to put a 5,000,000 credit bounty on a former apprentice, Kamari Vosa, that had fallen into a cult named the Bando Gora, and it came down to two Mandalorians and a changer, Jango Fett, Montross, and Zam Wesell. I may be wrong, but it's to the best of my knowledge.

 

That's from the videogame, but it's no longer canon. All we know is that Tyranus hired a bounty hunter, Jango Fett, as a template. One can rightfully assume that the Sith found him to be a more than capable individual since they chose him over everyone else.

 

I often wondered why Jango wanted an unaltered clone to raise as a son?

I figured Jango was smooching with Zam and she inadvertently reverted to her natural form. The event so scarred him as to swear off women the rest of his life.

 

because he wanted a legacy.

 

But they never really address why he doesn't go about it the *ahem* "natural way".

 

I always assumed that Jango was such an ego-maniac that he felt he was perfect, and that by going the natural way to get a son would result in a less than perfect offspring.

 

we don't know.

 

That is simply not true. At the time that Lucas was making Episode III, he was very much of the mindset that the OT era stormtrooperrs were clones. Pablo Hidalgo was the set reporter for hyperspace at the time, and he came out and asked Lucas about the stormies being clones. Lucas said yes they were, and then made a joke on how they might not all be Jango clones because someone could have themselves cloned to say they served the empire without actually having to serve. This was reported in one of Hidalgos Set Diaries for Hyperspace.

Jango bumping his head is an Easter Egg that Lucas wanted put into the movie as a funny way to show that again the stormtrooperrs are clones of Jango. It was never meant to be a serious in-universe explanation that they inherited Jangos clumsiness, but, rather a fun way for Lucas to make that connection between Jango and his "offspring" of the OT.

This shift from stormtroopers bing clones to not being clones started with TCW and Dave Filoni. For whatever reason Lucas let him start changing that part of the story.

Seeing how ROTS (when Lucas was still saying stormtroopers were clones) came out well before TCW, the naval officers not being clones wasn't to show that the empire was getting away from using clones, but shows that the clones were just foot soldiers and nothing more.

Now that Lucas is out of the picture, he has no say in what they do with his story anymore. Thus the "debate" (Hidalgo's words) was put to rest. It seems Filoni's narrative won with the absence of Lucas.

 

It is true. Stormtroopers are clones (of Jango), initially, but they were phased out eventually. Again, that last scene on the bridge, when the Empire is fully established, is meant to imply that. And, IIRC, Lucas talks about it again in one of the audio commentaries (in the OT).

And what he said, half joking, in the set diary at the time was:

"Well, they start to turn to different sources when they need it, that's why you get the differences. We get a model that isn't the Jango's version, that doesn't bump his head on doors. But then we get versions that can't shoot straight. I can see the corruption in the Empire: someone says to the Emperor, my cousin would like to fight in the wars, but he doesn't want to do any of the actual fighting. Can you clone him? Well, can he shoot? Ah... yeah. Sure he can."

He didn't "let him", it's something that came from Lucas himself.

 

Your assertion that the scene at the end of ROTS is depicting a transition from clones to non-clones is not true. Lucas had always thought of the Stormtroopers as being Clones. At the time he wrote ROTS and thus wrote that scene, Lucas was still, as we see through the set diary, depicting the Stormtroopers as clones, and no where near your opinion that they were being phased out. There is a long list of quotes, and official LFL materials that show the Stormtroopers were conceived of as clones and nothing else.

Starlog Magazine Issue 300 (July 2002)

Actual Source: https://archive.org/stream/starlog_magazine-300JPG/300#page/n41/mode/2up

Again, Lucas establishes over and over that he believes the Stromtroopers of the Empire of the OT are clones...

Right, but the Stormtroopers are still clones. he's making a joke about why the stormtroopers of the OT don't shoot straight

If he had other thoughts, as you are suggesting, that the clones were being phased out in the Empire, he would have said it here. However, he doesn't and only continues to establish that the Stormtroopers are clones, and half jokes that they start using any tom, dick or harry for a source. However, they are still clones. If Lucas's intentions were to show a phase out, then he would have said it here when asked. He was asked while actually filming ROTS. Once again, the scene at the end of ROTS is not intended to show a phase out of the clones.

Furthermore, the Empire is days old when that scene plays out, so all of a sudden after a day or two, the Empire starts transitioning out of Clones? Naval Officers trained and ready to go within a couple days (or less) after the Empire is established? No, those officers were already trained and operating the Star Destroyers well before the Empire was established. Just the timeline of how the scenes play out doesn't support your opinion. The scene does nothing to establish the clones were being phased out, it only establishes the clones were foot soldiers, they were grunts, and as the OT establishes the foot soldiers weren't in those positions aboard the Star Destroyers, non-clones were.

The narrative coming out of LFL that the Stormtroopers were not clones started after ROTS when TCW started getting going. So again, the scene you are referring to does not represent what you are suggesting it represents because it wasn't written that way.

Even if it did come from Lucas, it came after the fact of ROTS, and not before. Still showing your opinion of the scene is not how you are portraying it.

 

Yep http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jango_Fett