PT Would it have been better if Dooku was given screentime in EP I?

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  1. Slowpokeking Force Ghost

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    I always thinks he is a very interesting character, but the movie gave him too little time thus his character couldn't be understood well without looking at EU. If Lucas had thought about him in EP I, Let him show up as the Jedi Master and let us see how displeased he was with the Republic and Jedi Council, along with his relationship with Palpatine and Qui Gon. This would have helped greatly. I don't understand why did Lucas delete the Library scene in EP II, this would also introduce him before he showed up.
  2. V-2 Force Ghost

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    I've seen a fan edit which almost completely removes Dooku from the trilogy and the story works fantastically well without him.

    I Think it could have been better to have had him established in Episode 1, but that film was already overstretching the numbers of characters and subplots. I think it might have been better to have kept Maul, personally.
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  3. Slowpokeking Force Ghost

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    Like I said, the movie gave him too little time to build his character, the audience don't understand him and his importance simply based on movies.

    Maul was nowhere close to Dooku as a character, he also couldn't reflect the problem of the Jedi.
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  4. Han Burgundy Force Ghost

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    I think Dooku's backstory relates to one of the most understated themes of the PT: That despite being the good guys, the Jedi themselves are quite broken.

    By the time we see him in AOTC, he's pretty far fallen into darkness, but that's not why he left the order initially. He left because he recognized the Order's ineptitude. He saw the very real corruption in the senate. He wanted out of a system in which he could never make a true impact on the galaxy.

    I wish he had been worked into the story of the PT. To see his disillusionment with the Council, to see him leave after the death of Qui Gon, and then return ten years later as a Sith Lord would have been quite powerful.
  5. Alexrd Force Ghost

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    I wouldn't say "better". It would merely establish the character, nothing more. Everything we needed to know is explained in AotC, so...
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  6. Team Padme Force Ghost

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    Wouldn't make a difference to me, Dooku's character never did anything for me.
  7. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    I don't see how, exactly, that would "improve" anything. Besides, it would spoil the reveal in AotC, which I thought was done quite brilliantly.
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  9. Vaapad Master Daeg Tynan Jedi Master

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    Well said. I agree with your sentiments exactly. Perhaps with some further backstory setup in EpI, Dooku's comments to Kenobi in EpII regarding his relationship with QuiGon and the corruption within the Senate would've have more bite to it. As it is, it just seemed like a cheap ploy to sway Kenobi.
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  10. Slowpokeking Force Ghost

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    Obviously not, even that library scene was deleted, we don't really understand much about him.
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  11. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    The library scene would have improved things, I agree-- well, except for the pacing.
  12. Slowpokeking Force Ghost

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    Totally, in the movies it looks like Dooku was just trying to sway Obi Wan, like Saruman.
  13. Minez01 Force Ghost

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    I'd like to have seen Dooku show up in Episode I I think. I don't particularly love or hate his backstory, I wouldn't have minded if they'd have kept Maul somehow throughout Episode II (in fact I'd have liked it if they kept Maul through to EPIII) but my opinion is that if they're going to insert a character into the saga that has some sort of importance, I'd like that person to have been fleshed out fully as a character (same with all other characters). To that end, a mention or appearance in Ep I wouldn't have been a bad thing.
  14. Thuro Jedi Grand Master

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    Or they could have replaced maul with dooku in episode I. Show him as a master who leaves the jedi because of their ineptitude and is seduced to the dark side by sidious. With his final step into the dark being killing Qiu-Gon.
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  15. V-2 Force Ghost

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    It wouldn't take much to CGI him into the Jedi council chamber scene, if that would make people feel better. ;)
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  16. Slowpokeking Force Ghost

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    He was not part of the council, he rejected the offer because he thought the council isn't doing much.
  17. V-2 Force Ghost

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    Was that established in the films?
  18. CommanderDrenn Jedi Grand Master

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    I don't support digitally putting him in the movie, but I guess it would have been nice if he had at least a cameo. Maybe a little, but nothing big. I don't really know whether he was still with the Jedi at the point, but you could see him leaving or something, and it would be cool.
  19. timmoishere Force Ghost

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    Dooku was still a Jedi during TPM, but he had grown increasingly disgusted with the Jedi's methods. Qui-Gon's death was the last straw for him, and then Palpatine swooped in to convince him to join the Sith.
  20. Slowpokeking Force Ghost

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    No, but it would very out of character if he just sit there and see the other guys disagree with Qui Gon.
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    I would've liked to have seen Dooku as a non-Jedi character. Just a nobleman and businessman, sick of all the endless bureaucracy clogging up the galaxy and wanting the Sith to do something about it. Maybe in place of some of the pathetic Separatist leaders. All the Jedi stuff, in amongst Maul and Anakin as the main apprentices, was just a bit too much story IMO.
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  22. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Totally agree.

    The scene in Plagueis did a lot for me as far as showing Dooku both disgruntled with the Order and embarrassed by Qui-Gon, did a lot for me.
  23. Slowpokeking Force Ghost

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    I remember he was embarrassed by Vosa, for her crush on him.
  24. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    That's not what I remember. [face_laugh]

    Qui-Gon mouthing off at Plagueis was probably the best scene in that book, other than the end.
  25. V-2 Force Ghost

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    But there were loads of Jedi just sat there. You could easily cut (or otherwise insert) a reaction shot to what's being said.

    Anyway, how would it be out of character if that's how he was to be introduced? Have I missed the point of this thread? So you want to introduce Dooku to TPM but without messing up the EU continuity... How does that work? Why would you want to do that?
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