Saga Who is the Greatest Jedi Slayer of the Saga?

Like the previous greatest Sith Slayer thread. Who is the Greatest Jedi Slayer of the Saga?

Darth Maul: slayed the legendary Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn.



1000 years later, the Sith openly challenged the Jedi for the first time in the Naboo Battle, it was almost 10 years before the Clone Wars. And the face of the Sith was the Sith Lord Darth Maul, who faced with the legendary Jedi Knight Qui-Gon, who was from Yoda's and Dooku's Jedi apprenticeship line, and he also faced the Jedi Knight that Qui-Gon trained perfectly; Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Shortly before the battle, Qui-Gon tells the council that Anakin is the Chosen One and he must be trained, however the Jedi council decline this and instead Qui-Gon had to train Anakin. But he could take only 1 Jedi apprentice at the time. He says Obi-Wan is ready to be a Jedi knight, and there is only little he could learn from Qui-Gon. The Jedi council tells him that he should keep on who is ready and they send both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan to help the Queen of Naboo, where the duel between the Sith and the Jedi openly happens after 1000 years.

During the duel, Maul separates Qui-Gon's apprentice Kenobi with a kick, and he fights with Qui-Gon alone, although Qui-Gon manages to hold his own for a while, the Sith Lord's power and skills were too much for him alone. He overpowers him and kills him after stunning Qui-Gon with a hilt bumping move, ironically, Obi-Wan sees this move, and he was going to lure Maul into a trap, and Kenobi was going to counter this hilt bumping move 30 years later on Tatooine desert, when Kenobi faced with his arch enemy Maul for the last time. Which was going to be the reason that how Kenobi was going to defeat Maul once and for all.



Darth Sidious: slayed the legendary Jedi Master Mace Windu.



After revealing his true identity to Anakin, he hopes that Anakin will join the Dark Side and become his new Sith apprentice, however, Anakin refuses Sidious's offer and tells Windu who Palpatine really is; the Sith Lord Darth Sidious.

Windu, and his Jedi knight friends try to arrest Palpatine after learning this, but Palpatine refuses and fights against the Jedi knights, he manages to kill Windu's other 3 Jedi knight friends, however, Windu proves to be too much to handle alone. Anakin arrives in time and tells Windu to not kill him, Windu doesn't listen Anakin and before Windu delivers the finishing blow, Anakin betrays Windu and cuts Windu's hand.

Sidious wasn't going to miss this opportunity to kill Windu after Anakin's betrayal.



Darth Vader: slayed the legendary Jedi Master Obi-Wan / Ben Kenobi.



19 years after their fateful duel on Mustafar, Vader and Kenobi meet again on the first Death Star. This time Vader is more experienced and arguably more powerful, and he is ready for Kenobi.

Although Kenobi holds his own during the entire time of the duel, at the end Kenobi realizes that not only he is in disadvantage against Vader, he is also surrounded by Storm troopers, and in the end he allows Vader to deliver the finishing blow while Luke was watching it, knowing that this will possibly motivate Luke to be a Jedi knight and knowing that he could still help Luke in his Force ghost form even if he dies.

 

Vader. Are we not counting the Jedi he hunted after the Empire took over?

 

Vader...hands down. Slayed the Jedi who slayed Maul. Palps is a no. He needed Anakin's help. He does get credit for being able to play with Mace enough for Anakin to show up, but still needed Anakin's assistance to defeat Windu. Maul was slayed by the Jedi who was slayed by Vader, twice, so no.

 

I assumed "of the saga" meant just the movies. We really only see Vader take out an over-the-hill Obi-Wan on screen, with some youngling slaying happening off screen. Palpatine still took down three jedi masters within seconds and went toe-to-toe with the two most powerful jedi of that time period. Whether Palpatine really needed Anakin's help or not still seems pretty murky (though I prefer the idea that Mace would have won that duel had Anakin not intervened which makes Anakin's decision more tragic).

It's also worth noting that Vader let his emotions get the better of him, letting a far lesser fighter (Luke) beat him. Palpatine would never let a chump like that take him down. Also, Obi-Wan would have been wrecked if he went to take on Palpatine like he had originally planned (And Vader would have had a much shorter career if Yoda went to face him).

 

Vader hands down

 

Maul could've killed Kenobi in the Clone Wars though, he chose not to.

 

Probably all about equal in the films. But Maul has the edge. Since Jinn was a superior character and Jedi than the entire Jedi Council (or Order for that matter). Lets face it also a better fighter than Mace or Anakin or Kenobi or even cgi Yoda. Maul was actually a martial artist(Teras Kasi master) and it shows. Maul is also a cerebral and taciturn combatant . He plans out strategy & long term strategy in duels and battle plans and uses the environment to his advantage. That duel of fates on Naboo was the single most important duel in Star Wars. It wasn't silly and there was a sense of honor and pride involved between the warriors, lots of zen and religious connotations and significance to it. We really never see that again in Star Wars movies. And just prior to this duel Maul almost Jinn on Tatooine and nearly ran over Anakin.

By Maul killing Jinn and defeated and almost killed Kenobi. And without Maul killing Jinn there would've been no Force ghost Ben or Yoda or Anakin or Luke ect. So really no movies or future Jedi.

The only reason Maul didnt kill Kenobi in TPM was cause the director told him not to. In-inverse Maul is a more complicated and multifaceted character, and he was not altogether evil character. Kenobi was also fueled by anger and revenge after Jinn was killed. Maul also used this in TCW against Kenobi.


In ANH Kenobi let himself be killed because of Luke(and friends). In ROTS Yoda chose to retreat after losing his lightsaber , while Mace was de-armed by backstabbing Anakin and then Force lightning attacked.

But Mace Windu soundly dominated the duel between him and old man Palpatine whom really had no actual style resemblance to Maul's, which could be a consequence of his age . Mace was physically larger and more youthful than Palpatine. The other council Jedi Masters that entered Palpatine's chamber were useless. I didnt think they knew what they were doing and were struck down cause they underestimated the potential threat level and where not sure that Anakin's intel was correct about Palpatine.

They were arrogant and overconfident in their numbers and for some reason could not block Palpatine's spinning attack, they were taken off guard but Palpatine was not fast enough to strike them all down after that element of surprise elapsed. Mace proved to be too powerful for the aged Sith Master.

Now in canon's Battlefront II Maul also uses a very similar spinning attack that more aligns Maul with Sidious and equally very devastating and near unstoppable. Maul in the Marvel comic is also able to spin his lightsaber with one had with incredible speed and velocity that blocks and destroys an incoming Force stone attack.


In AOTC Dooku also chose to retreat than stay and finish his duel with Yoda who battled him to stalemate was edging out as the better warrior. But if Yoda did not show up Dooku would've killed the two wounded Jedi, just like Maul would've killed Kenobi along with Jinn. But if Dooku killed Kenobi then again there would be no movies.

Unlike Maul's duel, Dooku was never able to kill one of the Jedi he fought, and by ROTS Dooku was also old and beaten. His fighting sucked, he never used Force ligntning. Anakin's big thing was killing Dooky who by that time was already defeated by Maul and Vos. Lets not forget Dooky also away from Savage once Savage repulsed him and overcame his lightning attack, and had not Ventress been there interfering Savage likely would've killed the Count then and there. Mace was only killed when two warriors joined the attack and he was taken off guard by Anakin's betrayal.

Maul would not of left the fight like Dooku or Sidious . Remember Sidious attempted to flee rather than face Yoda in a pitched duel, plus he had troops coming after his Royal Guards proved inadequate. Yoda who was not weakened by the lethal Force lightning strike that was presumably meant to kill him, he somehow survived to the dismay of Sidious. Nor would Sidious himself go after Yoda but instead left it to the Shock Troopers. So just how determined and powerful Sidious and Yoda were is highly questionable as both were at that point done.

Anakin still needed the 501st to attack the temple(plus Inquisitors around), and it was never like one Sith Lord was meant to kill every Jedi by himself. Sidious needed armies as well as Jedi arts minions to destroy the Jedi Order.


Jedi are kinda weird anyway, since they fight to defend and not attack, in some cases they even allow themselves to be killed and self sacrifice for the greater good. Very few of them would've delivered a killing blow to an organic lifeform as it was against their code. Most of the Jedi at the temple were taken off guard and were confused and fighting to defend themselves and fighting as Jedi would like they were sparring or disarm. Only a few Jedi were actually aggressive and deadly fighters and often they were somehow not wholly Lightside or even corrupted by the Dark Side. Killing Jedi is not even something only a Sith can do.So how big of a deal it is, not so much.

Inside or outside the movies, really most Jedi warriors are simply jobbers and fodder.

Cartoons and comics are hit and miss cause of their mediums and writing quality. Same way if not more so, in the cartoons the heroes are plot protected and favorites survive situations they should otherwise not.

Maul didnt want to kill Kenobi on TCW, thats why he always lived since he just wanted to play with him like cat and punish him. Maul and Savage cut through peak Jedi on that series from Gallia to Finn Ertay and her Nikto Jedi partner and really who knows how more since the Jedi were hunting them as part of Maul's plan.

Anakin and Dooku battles went on forever, often with Dooku always dominating but never delivering the killing strike for some reason or another.

Maul vs Jedi Padawan Eldra Kaitis in the comics was also a more grounded and superior sword and Jedi vs Sith battle than Vader vs Kirak Infil'a - the latter that wandered off into Marvel superpowers silliness and Infil'a becoming a goof by never killing Vader despite numerous chances since he was the superior warrior and with greater Force power . But other than that, Maul and Vader are largely invulnerable warriors because of their conditioning, and Force training and natural/unnatural/supernatural abilities.

Maul could've killed Kanan numerous times, but played around with him and later sparred him cause Ezra asked him to, he could've killed Ahsoka on TCW but attempted to make her his apprentice and played around with her. Ahsoka and Kanan were plot protected for different reasons but also amounts to the creator's favoritism and bad writing, since both of them should've been killed more than once by both Vader and Maul. Old man Ben Kenobi can strike down the same Maul and wiped out Inquisitors, drove Ahsoka into a retreat and defeated the Ghost crew twice but somehow he cannot strike down Vader who can barely swing a lightsaber or move his head and his strikes are slow as crap because he's old, weak and mechanical while Ben was just old and slow.


On top of this Maul was supposed to be main villain of Lucas' Sequel Trilogy and not blundering old Palpatine(again). We've would seen the fall of Luke's New Jedi Order by Maul and Talon's hands. And Luke would've died by the second movie and at least one Skywalker would've been converted to the Dark Side by them two. In Darth Maul Battle of the Sith Lords we would've also seen Maul destroy Darth Krayt and his Empire along with his Sith Order. Lucas was the genius behind Star Wars.

 

Vader and it’s no contest. He hunted and slayed countless Jedi.

 

Is killing fodder/unimportant Jedi really that important? Maul also killed other Jedi during the Clone Wars and even before. He also killed Inquisitors who were former Jedi knights.

Vader also took help from Clone troopers and Inquisitors while hunting the Jedi, as well as Order 66 was a product of the Sith Order's long plans, Sidious couldn't accomplish that alone without using other people like Dooku, Sifo-Dyas and the separatist army.

I think Yoda's line; Yoda/Dooku/Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Anakin is the only Jedi line that matters in terms of importance for the story except for Mace Windu.

 

I notice that you often make threads with Maul involved with no intention of ever listening to anyone’s opinions unless they also say Maul. He’s my favourite Star Wars villain too, but you gotta stop letting favouritism getting in the way. He doesn’t have to be #1 at literally everything.

Anakin is the best Sith slayer, and Vader is the best Jedi slayer.

 

Where did you notice that I often make threads about Maul exactly?
These are the threads I made which has nothing to do with Maul.

https://boards.theforce.net/threads...ally-prefer-for-the-ancient-weapons.50055268/

https://boards.theforce.net/threads...der-anakin-is-or-was-the-chosen-one.50055004/

https://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-jedi-without-the-clone-army.50054877/

https://boards.theforce.net/threads/did-dooku-cheat-during-the-duel.50054390/

https://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-date-of-when-anakin-becomes-a-jedi-knight.50053906/

https://boards.theforce.net/threads/parallelism-between-rotj-luke-and-tpm-kenobi.50050601/

I guess these are all about Maul? If its not, I need you to ask to stop giving misinformation about me please.

I've no idea why did you make this a personal issue towards me, I simply replied your post since I made a thread to discuss about this topic in here. If you have problem with me or with my threads and if you don't want to discuss in here you can stop replying in my thread, you don't need to get personal with me, because I didn't get personal with you.

I don't care who is your favorite villain to be honest after seeing your rude attitude towards me. What I care is this thread and the discussions inside this thread, because that's the point of this thread. Of course Maul doesn’t need to be the no.1 at everything that's something you made up, I never implied that.

You said why Vader should be the best by explaining why, and I explained why your reasoning is not the best answer because Vader killed only unimportant Jedi (except for Kenobi) by taking help from Clone troopers and the Inquisitors, if that's your criteria then we should also think about the Clone troopers, some battle droids that killed other Jedi, as well as General Grievous who also killed many unimportant Jedi before. But I don't think that should be the criteria here. No need to get personal, let us just focus on the topic.

 

Lol wow, that took a turn. I’m sorry you misinterpreted my comment about not letting personal feelings get in the way (as a wise Obi-Wan Kenobi once said.) But I do not appreciate false accusations about me, or your hostile attitude. I was not making personal insults or trying to cause an argument. My intentions were peaceful. Move along.

 

Oh you almost got that one right. Obi-Wan is the best Sith Slayer.

 

I voted Vader, and that is no knock on the others. He spent decades hunting Jedi personally in an era where they were outlaws marked for death.
Maul and Sidious's other apprentices operated for a relatively brief period of time in an era where the Jedi had the full backing of the Republic. They never really had the chance to flex their muscles in the same way one on one.

Sidious, well Im pretty certain that he could eclipse Vaders kill count if he wanted to, he prefers working in the shadows. His performance in Episode III more than proves he is capable of annihilating all but the top tier of the top tier of Jedi. Yet he leaves most of the Jedi Killing to his apprentices, and spends most of his time plotting long term plans.

 

I vote for Maul, he has killed less Jedi than Vader (since Vader in the purge has fought and killed many), but Maul is the perfect representation of a Sith trained and made as such in every way, which makes the antithesis of everything that a Jedi represents, and in this case, the one who has best represented a Jedi in all its splendor (personal opinion) has been Qui-Gon. This part in particular shows how the two are connected to each side of the force at the deepest level.

It's the first fight between a Sith and a Jedi in a thousand years, so Qui-Gon's death is both very significant and emblematic for events to come in more than one sense. His death was also a severe blow to the Order, who held Qui-Gon in high esteem for his wisdom and skills, and who would have been seated on the High Jedi Council if not for his disapproval of the path the Order was taking. So it seems to me a much more consistent achievement for Maul than the random Jedi hunted during the purge, as well as having fought Obi-Wan at the same time. Maul might well have had a glorious future if he had not lost in that battle, a prisoner of his own over-confidence. If we're talking about power clearly Sidious could be considered the best Jedi killer, or if we're going for numbers, Vader would be, but I think you get where I'm going with my point in justifying Maul as the greatest.

 

Sidious with Order 66. Others did the job, but he set the board for it to happen.

From that point on, Vader was a living nightmare for any survivors.

 

I would also consider DARTH SIDIOUS as Greatest Jedi Slayer.

Many Siths killed individual Jedi, but Darth Sidious defeated an entire Jedi Order !!!

 

It’s kind of ambiguous how match Palpatine was feigning weakness in that scene in order to provoke Anakin, though.


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Agreed, but I look at it in that if Anakin doesn't show up, or doesn't turn, then Palps is going to lose to Mace. Palps put himself in the position, granted intentionally and with a purpose, that his survival or victory of the duel was solely dependent on Anakin showing up and turning against Mace, and ultimately the Jedi.

 

I guess you could say that if Anakin is the greater Jedi slayer of the two, it’s chiefly by Palpatine’s design, as Palpatine is more focused his ultimate design for power than racking up a personal body count record. The character would literally rather die than give up his power. He seems very willing to keep emitting force lightning even when it reaches his face. One thing I always admired about the character is his commitment.


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Vader killed the most jedi making him the top jedi slayer. Yes he only killed Obi-Wan on screen along with the jedi temple raid but it's known in canon that he killed dozens if not hundreds of jedi during the purge.

 

Definitely Darth Vader, from his turn until death I remember hearing his Jedi Count was in the upper 40s, also Anakin is the top Sith slayer.

 

I voted Vader because of body count and how easy he made it look, but I'm surprised Grievous isn't on the list, he's bagged quite a few and takes trophies like a slayer.

 

I voted for Darth Vader, because he killed he killed the young Padawans in the ‘The Revenge of the Sith’. And he killed Obi-Wan Kenobi/Ben Kenobi in ‘A New Hope’.